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Posted by Blue Thunder (Member # 4504) on :
 
I'm going with todays individual sports. I'm basically asking who promotes their sport better in respect to innovation, marketing, etc
Don King
Joe Weider
Dana White
Vince Mcmahon
Bob Arum

If I left any off, please feel free to sound off.

[ 07-04-2006, 10:22 AM: Message edited by: Blue Thunder ]
 
Posted by MoneyDragon (Member # 4646) on :
 
Vince by far.
 
Posted by Mark Nulty (Member # 1) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
I'm going with todays individual sports. I'm basically asking who promotes their sport better in respect to innovation, marketing, etc
Don King
Joe Weider
Dana White
Vince Mcmahon
Bob Arum

If I left any off, please feel free to sound off.

Vince McMahon. You may not like his vision of professionaln wrestling, but you have to respect what he has accomplished with the WWE.
 
Posted by Crimson Mask I (Member # 589) on :
 
Mmh. Not sure I'd put Vinnie over Don King or Bob Arum in the big picture. I think they've both generated a lot more revenue overall. Gotta give King extra props here, as he wasn't given a successful company by his daddy and wasn't an Ivy League lawyer. He literally came up from the streets and prison. Sorta a lot more impressive.

So long from the Sunshine State!
 
Posted by james beard (Member # 658) on :
 
All three of them, particularly King and Vince, basically has picked the pockets of the consumers and fans. Their own agendas and profits were first and foremost, regardless what they had to do to push and promote them. Having said that, I agree with all three as being at the top of the heap as far as promoting, in and of itself, is concerned.
 
Posted by Van Hagar (Member # 2679) on :
 
Arum. Him and King leave McMahon, Wider, and White in the dust (yes, even McMahon, if a boxing champion today got caught smoking reefer, you bet it'd be all over the news). I picked Arum because he's not a complete dirtbag (pardon my French) like some others on that list.
 
Posted by Clovisman1 (Member # 5688) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by james beard:
All three of them, particularly King and Vince, basically has picked the pockets of the consumers and fans. Their own agendas and profits were first and foremost, regardless what they had to do to push and promote them. Having said that, I agree with all three as being at the top of the heap as far as promoting, in and of itself, is concerned.

Having loved boxing and wrestling in their purist forms...I won't say at the top of what heap I'd put these guys. But yeah, gotta give them their due.
 
Posted by Crimson Mask I (Member # 589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by james beard:
All three of them, particularly King and Vince, basically has picked the pockets of the consumers and fans.

And Arum.
 
Posted by Crimson Mask I (Member # 589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Van Hagar:
Arum. Him and King leave McMahon, Wider, and White in the dust (yes, even McMahon, if a boxing champion today got caught smoking reefer, you bet it'd be all over the news). I picked Arum because he's not a complete dirtbag (pardon my French) like some others on that list.

Is too.
 
Posted by Chris Dewar (Member # 2729) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Van Hagar:
Arum. Him and King leave McMahon, Wider, and White in the dust (yes, even McMahon, if a boxing champion today got caught smoking reefer, you bet it'd be all over the news). I picked Arum because he's not a complete dirtbag (pardon my French) like some others on that list.

The reason a boxing champ smoking dope would be all over the news is because it's an actual sport, not like professional wrestling. Since boxing was already mainstream, how did Arum promoting it make it more mainstream?
 
Posted by Van Hagar (Member # 2679) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Dewar:
quote:
Originally posted by Van Hagar:
Arum. Him and King leave McMahon, Wider, and White in the dust (yes, even McMahon, if a boxing champion today got caught smoking reefer, you bet it'd be all over the news). I picked Arum because he's not a complete dirtbag (pardon my French) like some others on that list.

The reason a boxing champ smoking dope would be all over the news is because it's an actual sport, not like professional wrestling. Since boxing was already mainstream, how did Arum promoting it make it more mainstream?
True. In fact, rereading the original post, I admit I misjudged. I still think that Arum & King are ahead of McMahon, but not not as much as before. Still, McMahon has never had a gate over $10 million. McMahon's largest amount of PPV buys is around the one million mark, while Arum & King drew at least 1.4 million for De La Hoya and Trinidad (the top amount of buys for a non-heavyweight fight).
 
Posted by Crimson Mask I (Member # 589) on :
 
Sorta have to blame them (and the alphabet soup boys) for boxing becoming borderline non-mainstream like it is now---half the time it's listed under 'other sports'. But still, it was King, really, who kicked it into the megabucks zone, with fighter's purses going into 7 figures.
 
Posted by Intelligent Sensational Mopey (Member # 5974) on :
 
Dick Cheney
 
Posted by Van Hagar (Member # 2679) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask I:
Sorta have to blame them (and the alphabet soup boys) for boxing becoming borderline non-mainstream like it is now---half the time it's listed under 'other sports'. But still, it was King, really, who kicked it into the megabucks zone, with fighter's purses going into 7 figures.

I tend to blame the We Be Collectin', We Be Askin', and I Be Felinious for that, but you'd probably know better.
 
Posted by Blue Thunder (Member # 4504) on :
 
No love here for Dana White. I know, it's just too soon to compare him to the other charlatans, err, I mean greats. In the last couple of years, he's done wonders for UFC.

Mask is right about the alphabet soup killing boxing. Four champs ain't cutting it. I have a hard time knowing who the 4 hvy champs are, imagine how confusing it must be to the avg joe.

Bodybuilding has realy tken a turn for the worse since the 1990's. Local AAU state shows used to pack the house in the 80's. Bodybuilding was appealing to the average person in shape or high school students. Physiques like Arnold, Frank Zane, Franco Columbo, Sammir Bannout, and even Lee Haney sparked interest because they were somewhat attainable. The physiques from the 60's-80's gradually evolved. Dorian Yates took the sport too a much higher level in 1994. He was a ripped freak. As huge as he was, Ronnie Coleman dwarfs him. These types of physiques are a turn off to most normal people. Please don't get me started with the female competitors. In fairness to Weider, I don't know if he is respopnsible for these freak shows, or if it's a case of evolution running amok.
 
Posted by Madison Carter (Member # 1166) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask I:
Gotta give King extra props here, as he wasn't given a successful company by his daddy and wasn't an Ivy League lawyer. He literally came up from the streets and prison. Sorta a lot more impressive.

Yeah, but Vince's trailer park stepdaddy touched his no-no spot.
 
Posted by SpiderGuard (Member # 6369) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Madison Carter:
quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask I:
Gotta give King extra props here, as he wasn't given a successful company by his daddy and wasn't an Ivy League lawyer. He literally came up from the streets and prison. Sorta a lot more impressive.

Yeah, but Vince's trailer park stepdaddy touched his no-no spot.
What?

I have to give credit to Dana White though, at least for what he's done in the short term. He's booked MMA far better than McMahon has booked professional wrestling in the last few years. And he's made MMA the largest regular live show going right now.

SpiderGuard
 
Posted by Crimson Mask I (Member # 589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SpiderGuard:
quote:
Originally posted by Madison Carter:
quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask I:
Gotta give King extra props here, as he wasn't given a successful company by his daddy and wasn't an Ivy League lawyer. He literally came up from the streets and prison. Sorta a lot more impressive.

Yeah, but Vince's trailer park stepdaddy touched his no-no spot.
What?
Vinnie said in his Playboy interview a few years back that he was sexually abused by his mother and implied her husband or boyfriend(s).
 
Posted by jdw (Member # 622) on :
 
Pete Rozelle, Paul Tagliabue and David Stern swamp all of the guys listed. As in "not even close".

Joao Havelange and Sepp Blatter oversaw the massive power and money growth of FIFA globally, and actually have been so astute in their backroom politics that their power bases *are/were not* their own continents (the great powers of Europe and South America) but instead their greater number of countries that comprise Asia and Africa and the jabroni counties in North America. Their own sleeze in power grabbing and money is up their with the guys listed above, but the "sport" they rule utterly drawfs those ones.

On a smaller scale, Bill France Jr. and Mike Helton of NASCAR top the guys listed as well.

John
 
Posted by timtass (Member # 5914) on :
 
Since there is no detail on sports or non sports.

I'd go with the following being great SELF promoters.

Donald Trump: there is none better. He has a small stake in the business ventures he has. But is rewarded nicely.

Vince McMahon: Promotes himself more than the wrestlers who work for him. He's all about putting himself over. do you really think you'd see his dad do some of this stuff. But I guess anything for a buck.

Don King: He promotes himself and has made himself a mini celebrity. I guess he's done it by taking advantage of his fighters. He has made his life better from being in prison.

Jesse Jackson: a true self promoter. Shows himself to care about the people he talks for. But in truth is all about himself.
 
Posted by Crimson Mask I (Member # 589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jdw:
Pete Rozelle, Paul Tagliabue and David Stern swamp all of the guys listed. As in "not even close".

Joao Havelange and Sepp Blatter oversaw the massive power and money growth of FIFA globally, and actually have been so astute in their backroom politics that their power bases *are/were not* their own continents (the great powers of Europe and South America) but instead their greater number of countries that comprise Asia and Africa and the jabroni counties in North America. Their own sleeze in power grabbing and money is up their with the guys listed above, but the "sport" they rule utterly drawfs those ones.

On a smaller scale, Bill France Jr. and Mike Helton of NASCAR top the guys listed as well.

John

Wasn't the question, though.

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Topic: Who is the greatest modern day promoter?

Author Blue Thunder
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posted 07-04-2006 09:56 AM
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I'm going with todays individual sports.



 
Posted by SpiderGuard (Member # 6369) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask I:
quote:
Originally posted by SpiderGuard:
quote:
Originally posted by Madison Carter:
quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask I:
Gotta give King extra props here, as he wasn't given a successful company by his daddy and wasn't an Ivy League lawyer. He literally came up from the streets and prison. Sorta a lot more impressive.

Yeah, but Vince's trailer park stepdaddy touched his no-no spot.
What?
Vinnie said in his Playboy interview a few years back that he was sexually abused by his mother and implied her husband or boyfriend(s).
Wow...learn something everyday. Thanks.

SpiderGuard
 
Posted by mr. disco (Member # 1736) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SpiderGuard:
quote:
Originally posted by Madison Carter:
quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask I:
Gotta give King extra props here, as he wasn't given a successful company by his daddy and wasn't an Ivy League lawyer. He literally came up from the streets and prison. Sorta a lot more impressive.

Yeah, but Vince's trailer park stepdaddy touched his no-no spot.
What?

I have to give credit to Dana White though, at least for what he's done in the short term. He's booked MMA far better than McMahon has booked professional wrestling in the last few years. And he's made MMA the largest regular live show going right now.

SpiderGuard

He gets my vote too. Pro wrestling has been around for a century or so. Boxing even longer.
MMA in its current form sort of grew from underground toughman contests, kickboxing, and other things that nobody paid much attention to, to become a huge PPV draw, with UFC, at least in this country, at the top of the heap.
 


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