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Grobbit
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I saw his on youtube:



I'm not familiar with Teddy Hart or RoH, so wasn't sure what happened.

So, were the crazy flips off the cage unplanned and Teddy was lucky they caught him? Everyone seemed very angry, was that directed at Teddy and was it because he was putting himself over so much?

Who was the guy with the strap, he seemed really angry and was really wacking people with the strap.

Puking from the top rope into the ring is pretty stupid and disgusting, why did he do that? Does he have a drug problem or something and that caused him to puke?

[ 03-06-2013, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: Grobbit ]

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Good explanation here.

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/columns/markrose/10.html

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The biggest mark for Teddy is Teddy himself.

[ 03-06-2013, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: Kid Chrome ]

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"Okay, so there it is. Teddy Hart claims to have had some sort of temporary amnesia due to a bump on the guardrail. I'm no doctor but I have never heard of this type of thing happening with any other high risk wrestler in the business." From that link.

Not to super defend Hart, who has been a proven bad apple, but tons of guys have forgotten what happened during matches after a concussion.

And in hindsight, knowing what we know about concussions now, makes ya wonder how much he has been affected by them.

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Teddy Hart is the greatest talent to ever enter the squared circle, just ask him!

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quote:
Originally posted by Wanderlust Diaz from SIU:
"Okay, so there it is. Teddy Hart claims to have had some sort of temporary amnesia due to a bump on the guardrail. I'm no doctor but I have never heard of this type of thing happening with any other high risk wrestler in the business." From that link.

Not to super defend Hart, who has been a proven bad apple, but tons of guys have forgotten what happened during matches after a concussion.

And in hindsight, knowing what we know about concussions now, makes ya wonder how much he has been affected by them.

Doesn't Foley claim he remembers nothing about the HIAC match after the first toss? And there's a DDP match on YT somewhere where he says he was out of it but still working after a blow and remembers none of it to this day. Pretty common occurrence, rather, I think. Not sure "temporary amnesia" is the most technically-accurate word for it, but getting knocked for a loop and continuing on...it happens.

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He was trained by Bruce and seems to have picked up his Uncle's delusions of grandeur in where he stands.

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What is truly a shame is he has the ability and pedigree to have been a big star had he gotten his ego in check.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Mississippi Mauler mark II:
What is truly a shame is he has the ability and pedigree to have been a big star had he gotten his ego in check.

How many chances did he get in WWF/WWE until they pretty much gave up on him for the last time? At least three? That's saying something considering he's a "Hart" and he can do some really impressive stuff. Not the best wrestler in the world, but crazy spots.

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quote:
Originally posted by Madison Carter from TX:
quote:
Originally posted by Wanderlust Diaz from SIU:
"Okay, so there it is. Teddy Hart claims to have had some sort of temporary amnesia due to a bump on the guardrail. I'm no doctor but I have never heard of this type of thing happening with any other high risk wrestler in the business." From that link.

Not to super defend Hart, who has been a proven bad apple, but tons of guys have forgotten what happened during matches after a concussion.

And in hindsight, knowing what we know about concussions now, makes ya wonder how much he has been affected by them.

Doesn't Foley claim he remembers nothing about the HIAC match after the first toss? And there's a DDP match on YT somewhere where he says he was out of it but still working after a blow and remembers none of it to this day. Pretty common occurrence, rather, I think. Not sure "temporary amnesia" is the most technically-accurate word for it, but getting knocked for a loop and continuing on...it happens.
'Retrograde amnesia' is the term for not remembering events immediately (whatever duration) prior (in addition to subsequent) to the concussion. Sometimes they comes back, sometimes they don't. So yeah can be 'temporary'. Not saying what did or didn't happen here but yes, nothing unusual at all about it.

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Where's Teddy been working the last couple years?

I haven't heard his name in a long while now.

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1 word explanation, IDIOT

Simple the guy is an idiot, doing ridiculous spots that make no sense or carry the story let alone risk breaking a neck (yours or someone else) for what?

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He was on the recent Stampede event in Calgary.

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Was it only a year ago he was floating some sort of VERY gimmicky "concept"? Looking for backers but the premise was pretty out there, think it was mentioned here once only. Wrestling with springboards, robots, trampolines, animals and trapezes, maybe...with audience voting on the movesets and everybody wearing a mask.

Seemed his mental discipline was well short of his abilities.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blind Guy:
Wrestling with springboards, robots, trampolines, animals and trapezes, maybe...with audience voting on the movesets and everybody wearing a mask.

I thought the idea of going out to the matches was to see something we didn't have at home?

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quote:
Originally posted by carpetbeggar:
Where's Teddy been working the last couple years?

I haven't heard his name in a long while now.

I think he's still working in Mexico, where his antics are seemingly more acceptable.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grobbit:
Who was the guy with the strap, he seemed really angry and was really wacking people with the strap.


I haven't watched that in years (other than just now) but I believe that's (Tony) DeVito of the Carnage Crew. He was in The Baldies in ECW, used to be WWF enhancement talent, and was a tag team champion in ROH. I always enjoyed his work.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blind Guy:
Was it only a year ago he was floating some sort of VERY gimmicky "concept"? Looking for backers but the premise was pretty out there, think it was mentioned here once only. Wrestling with springboards, robots, trampolines, animals and trapezes, maybe...with audience voting on the movesets and everybody wearing a mask.

Seemed his mental discipline was well short of his abilities.

Well at least it's not another Indy low rent version of WWE. Kudos for thinking different. I seem to remember Bischoff was looking at a concept like this in the late 90s, at least the trampolines and fans voting aspect. And I think it was with the mat rats crew out of Calgary too.
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The problem is that he IS indeed a phenomenal talent. Unfortunately, he obviously has one of the worst attitudes in the history of the sport. Just because he comes from a legendary family doesn't mean wrestling owes him a spot. If he ever comes to his senses and learns that who knows what could happen for him?

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Why can I see him dead on a concrete floor in Mexico after performing some outrageous stunt move and breaking his neck?

That seems more likely than seeing him headline a Wrestlemania, sad to say.

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You should have heard Teddy on The LAW radio show. He was on there responding to Lance Storm's interview about the Stampede show and how he did not get paid. At first Teddy is praising Lance and his wrestling school then in the next breath is totally cutting him down. Teddy keeps saying how he is working at getting Lance his money. I will bet you doughnuts to dollars Teddy never got Lance a cent.

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Stupid question, but if Teddy is launching himself off top of the cage repeatedly unplanned, why are the other guys even wanting to catch him? Wouldn't it teach him a lesson to let him crash and burn in the worst way?
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I'd book him. Of course, that may explain why i don't book wrestling shows.
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quote:
Originally posted by Slasher:
Stupid question, but if Teddy is launching himself off top of the cage repeatedly unplanned, why are the other guys even wanting to catch him? Wouldn't it teach him a lesson to let him crash and burn in the worst way?

I'm not sure if any wrestler that Hart is up against will want that blemish on his record

Hart is probably too much of a wild card for any serious sustained push on national scene. He may be good @ flashy high risk moves but its easier to just let him wither away on the vine & wait for the next batch of talent that has all their screws tight up in their head

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Is he actually a good solid worker or just a stunt highspot machine?

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quote:
Originally posted by Grobbit:
Is he actually a good solid worker or just a stunt highspot machine?

Highspot machine. That said, he has the talent and the knowledge to be a solid worker, but that's not what Teddy Hart is about. He would much rather do meaningless flips from the top of a cage than work a thirty-minute **** match where he has to share the credit with someone else. In short, a complete tool... Imagine Jody Fleisch without caring about telling a story in the ring and having little if any concern for the safety of his opponent and you've pretty much got Teddy Hart.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grobbit:
Why can I see him dead on a concrete floor in Mexico after performing some outrageous stunt move and breaking his neck?

That seems more likely than seeing him headline a Wrestlemania, sad to say.

THIS is an interesting comment & I sincerely think this cuts to an outsider's fascination with the sport.

Depending on your level of cynicism, fatalism, disdain for spot-fests, etc., what percentage of workers can this prediction be applied to?

Teddy Hart is an extreme example, hopefully (as phrased above), he comes to his senses.

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What I meant was, I can see him only being able to get book in rinky-dink Mexican indies where levels of safety are much less and one of his death-defying dives going wrong. Also, I could picture a scene where he does the same thing he did in ths clip - a crazy high dive off a cage onto guys not expecting the spot, and the guys this time not wanting to catch him for fear of getting hurt themselves, I mean, there's a lot of older broken down guys working in Mexican indies who might not have the same attitude as those ROH guys did and think 'jeez, I'm not gonna let some punk gringo kid land on me from 20 feet, I'm only getting 200 pesos'. Result, a Teddy Hart-shaped splat on the ground.

I actually don't like watching guys do crazy high spots where they are at risk of serious injury, paralysis, death. I really enjoyed the work of guys like Hayabusa and Great Sasuke, but I winced at some of the spots they did, not least because I knew how easily something could be just off and they could be in serious trouble, and also because I really enjoyed their in-ring work and didn't need to see the insane stuff, leave that to guys who aren't supremely talented in the ring.

It's the same as not enjoying seeing Terry Funk on fire or Mick Foley with his teeth in his nose.

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I don't condone that incident, but it was 8 or so years ago. He doesn't go high risk as much anymore. He's mellowed out and does more mat work than high spots. You'll still get an asai moonsault to the floor, but that's not nearly spot monkey territory in AAA. His promos are more mellow now too.

He had a long absence from AAA, but he returned last year. I don't get AAA on TV anymore anyway.

I don't care if fans give him a chance or not. I would still like to see him in ROH, TNA, or preferably WWE.

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