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Mr4wrestle
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From Mike Aldren's Wrestling Globe:
We were honored to receive a letter from Billy Robinson regarding his
altercation with Peter Maivia (Grandfather of The Rock) which we noted
in the last newsletter. Billy tells us that the altercation took place
in late 1969 during a tour of Japan. This is his first ever public
comments on the matter 41 years later. He writes, "Peter Maivia was a
great guy. I knew him in England, and got him and George Gordienko
booked in Japan for that tour. Peter was a little wild when he had a few
drinks. We were in the south of Japan and in an area where not too many
people spoke English. Peter got impatient and started to act up which
was making things worse and nobody was getting served at the bar. I told
him to grow up and shut up so that we could all get served, which he
did, but Peter being Peter, it played on his mind. On the way back to
the hotel Peter for some reason wanted to fight me and started throwing
punches. I grabbed him and held him so he couldn't move. He then tried
to bite me in the neck, so I pulled my jaw down so he couldn't do any
real damage, but he bit through cheek. When I saw the blood I got angry
and knocked him out... he was unconscious for 25 minutes. I had to go to
hospital to get a shot for the bacteria. The next day I found out that
George had instigated the whole episode so I went into both their rooms,
locked the door and challenged them. Neither wanted to do anything after
that. And a couple of days later we were good friends again, As for the
eye story, I had an operation on my right eye when I was 11 years old.
Peter did not have the ability as a street fighter to get close to my
eyes, and the reason I got bitten was because I didn't want to hurt him.
But as you know over the years stories get exaggerated... Reputations
are usually made by people who have never been on the mat, or in a
street fight. Like most pro wrestlers/workers they start to believe they
know how to wrestle and are really tough. But they never seem to have
fought or beat anyone."

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Greg Ganja
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Interesting. I always thought it happened in the late 70s for some reason.

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Marcos from OK
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That sounds like a more believable version of the story with the exception of Robinson knocking him out for 25 minutes.

Not sure what he would have been doing to hold him in a way to get bit through the cheek. I know when a Gracie fights a big guy they tend to pull guys into their guards and the mouth can be very close to the side of your face.

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great post....

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When I said that was the most ignorant thing I ever heard, I didn't realize you were still talking.

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Found a site that has a 2005 Observer excerpt with other accounts on what happened:

http://s3.invisionfree.com/New_Millennium_Blues/ar/t524.htm

I don't see how Robinson's version is any more beliveable. Sounds more to me like a bully trying to paint himself in the best possible light, knowing anyone who could corroborate has long since passed.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sturm316:
Found a site that has a 2005 Observer excerpt with other accounts on what happened:

http://s3.invisionfree.com/New_Millennium_Blues/ar/t524.htm

I don't see how Robinson's version is any more beliveable. Sounds more to me like a bully trying to paint himself in the best possible light, knowing anyone who could corroborate has long since passed.

Yeah, somehow I don't buy Billy's version. Known douchebag painting himself in a positive light in a fight where he got beaten? Yeah, I don't buy it.

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From the stuff I've been told about George Gordienko, I don't know if I'd want to be challenging him, either.
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JumboShrimp from CA
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Gordienko backed down?
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Yeah, big grain of salt on this one.

So long from the Sunshine State!

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Mike FL
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Shame on Peter Maivia for telling his grand kids he bit Billy's eye out... ;-)

25 minutes seems a stretch too.

Other than that, sounds about right.

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quote:
Originally posted by JumboShrimp from CA:
Gordienko backed down?

Yeah, that one gets my eyebrow popping up, too.

He didn't really have a rep as a "tough guy", but I don't recall anyone saying they'd wanna get in his face, either, y'know?

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Interesting that he'd be suddenly trying to do damage ontrol to his tough guy rep by trying to dispel one of wrestling's greatest urban legends all these years later. As has been mentioned, awfully convenient that anyone who could corroborate or dispute the incident have long since passed.

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If you look at pictures of Robinson after 1969, there doesn't seem to be any problem with his eyes. Does the story go that his eye was gouged out or that he just lost vision?
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Tomol:
If you look at pictures of Robinson after 1969, there doesn't seem to be any problem with his eyes. Does the story go that his eye was gouged out or that he just lost vision?

Maivia knocked Robinson out for 25 minutes, and while he was waiting for Robinson to awake, pulled out the eyeball, stomped on it and bounced it off the ceiling a few times. Then, stitched it back up and shoved it back in Robinson's eye socket...

Hey, might as well add my version to the legend, eh?

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I call shenanigans on this one.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Tomol:
If you look at pictures of Robinson after 1969, there doesn't seem to be any problem with his eyes.

Really? I think it's plainly obvious that Robinson either has a glass eye or his eye paralyzed.
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quote:
Originally posted by PeteF3:
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Tomol:
If you look at pictures of Robinson after 1969, there doesn't seem to be any problem with his eyes.

Really? I think it's plainly obvious that Robinson either has a glass eye or his eye paralyzed.
Agree with Pete. Watch the movie The Wrestler again. It's very obvious there.

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quote:
Originally posted by clawmaster64:
Agree with Pete. Watch the movie The Wrestler again. It's very obvious there.

I'd never looked before but, yeah, it's pretty obvious:

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Robinson and Maivia began there tour of Japan’s IWE promotion in Sapporo on 11-4-68. George Gordienko had been in country sense Sept.

Nov. 4, 1968-Sapporo IWE promotion
1-Billy Robinson drew George Gordienko
2-Thunder Sugiyama & Tadaharu Tanaka & Toyonobori over Peter Maivia & John Da Silva & Gilbert Voiney
3-Masao Kimura & Great Kusatsu over Ray Golden Apollon & Ray Hunter
4-Michael Nador over Takeshi Oiso

Nov. 5, 1960—Asahikawa
1-Masao Kimura & Thunder Sugiyama & Toyonobori over George Gordienko & Peter Maivia & Ray Hunter
2-Billy Robinson & John De Silva over Tadaharu Tanaka & Mammoth Suzuki
3- Takeshi Oiso over Ray Golden Apollon via DQ
4-Gil Voiney over Daigo
5- Michael Nador drew Great Kusatsu via DCOR

Sapporo is on the northern island of Hokkaido, site of the fight. Asahikawa is also on the island.

Nov. 6, 1968—Wakkanai
1-Masao Kimura & Toyonobori & Tadaharu Tanaka over George Gordienko & Peter Maivia & John Da Silva
2- Billy Robinson & Ray Golden Apollon over Great Kusatsu & Takeshi Oiso
3- Thunder Sugiyama over Ray Hunter via DQ
4- Michael Nador over Enzo Inoue
5- Mammoth Suzuki over Gil Voiney

So Billy is still wrestling. With one eye?????

Have cards for the 7th, 8th, 9th, & 11th with all three working.

Nov. 12, 1986—Tsuruoka
1-Masao Kimura & Toyonobori & Tadaharu Tanaka over Ray Golden Apollon & Michael Nador & Ray Hunter
2-Billy Robinson over Peter Maivia
3- John Da Silva over Enzo Inoue
4- Thunder Sugiyama drew Great Kusatsu via DCOR
5- Mammoth Suzuki over Isamu Teranishi

Continues with cards every night.

Nov. 25, 1986—Shibata
1-Masao Kimura & Thunder Sugiyama over Billy Robinson & Peter Maivia
2-John Da Silva over Gilbert Voiney via COR
3-Tadaharu Tanaka & Toyonobori over Ray Golden Apollon & George Gordienko
4-Michael Nador over Daigo
5-Great Kusatsu over Michael Nador

Random cards follow:

Nov. 30, 1986—Tokyo
(TWWA Tag Title)
1-Thunder Sugiyama & Toyonobori over George Gordienko & John Da Silva
2-Masao Kimura & Great Kusatsu over Michael Nador & Gilbert Voiney
3-Peter Maivia over Billy Robinson via DQ
4-Ray Golden Apollon drew Tadaharu Tanaka via DCOR

Dec. 14, 1986—Tokyo
(European Title)
1-Billy Robinson over Peter Maivia
2-George Gordienko drew Toyonobori
3-Great Kusatsu & Thunder Sugiyama & Tadaharu Tanaka over Michael Nador & Gilbert Voiney & John Da Silva
4-Ray Golden Apollon over Masao Kimura

Dec. 21, 1986—Osaka
(TWWA TC)
1-Thunder Sugiyama & Toyonobori over Peter Maivia & George Gordienko
(European Title)
2-Billy Robinson over Great Kusatsu
3-Michael Nador over Gilbert Voiney
4-Masao Kimura & Tadaharu Tanaka over Ray Golden Apollon & John Da Silva
5-Mammoth Suzuki over Takeshi Oiso
6-Isamu Teranishi drew Enzo Inoue via DCOR

This ended the IWE tour with all three on every card. Robinson wrestles on next tour in Jan. as IWE World Champion. If someone had ripped or bitten my eye out I would have called in sick.

Results by HauroYamaguchi

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I have trouble with pat barret's version for a sinple reason. It took 9 policemen to stop Maivia. It always took 9...It took 9 to arrest Patera and Saito...And in Montreal, in a public brawl between Ray Rougeau and Pierre Lefebvre, ( A keyfabe never took place brawl as the 2 were best friend but in a middle of a feud) it took 9 policemen as well. It's more like an urban legend. I know a guy who know a guy that his cousin saw 9 policemen arrest a wrestler...As for Robinson beeing an a*******hole, he appear on tv with 2 blackeyes in Montreal during the 80's. Storyline: they said Pierre Lefebvre sucker punch him, and Robinson want revenge. Reality: Robinson peed in Sailor White's clothes, and White beat him up...
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quote:
Originally posted by pistol pete:
I have trouble with pat barret's version for a sinple reason. It took 9 policemen to stop Maivia. It always took 9...It took 9 to arrest Patera and Saito...And in Montreal, in a public brawl between Ray Rougeau and Pierre Lefebvre, ( A keyfabe never took place brawl as the 2 were best friend but in a middle of a feud) it took 9 policemen as well. It's more like an urban legend. I know a guy who know a guy that his cousin saw 9 policemen arrest a wrestler...As for Robinson beeing an a*******hole, he appear on tv with 2 blackeyes in Montreal during the 80's. Storyline: they said Pierre Lefebvre sucker punch him, and Robinson want revenge. Reality: Robinson peed in Sailor White's clothes, and White beat him up...

Wasn't it also 9 marines that beat up Shawn Michaels in 1995?
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I'm with Yohe, you get your eye bitten out, gouged out, etc, and I don't think you'd be working the rest of the dates.
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Eh. The way I first heard it was that Maivia popped Robinson's eye out of its socket, and that pretty much stopped the fight on everyone's part right then and there and Robinson's eye was placed back in the socket before any more damage was done to it. But muscles had been stretched and so his one eye didn't follow as well any more.

But it's the first time I've heard that Gordienko was anywhere near when it happened. And I just ain't buyin' his backing down to Robinson....

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quote:
Originally posted by 1bruiser:
I'm with Yohe, you get your eye bitten out, gouged out, etc, and I don't think you'd be working the rest of the dates.

If the eyeball were completely remeoved, yeah. But if it had just been popped out of the socket and replaced quickly enough....yeah, there's some medical documentaion that such is entirely possible.

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Those muscles in the eye are not really good a stretching when they get outside the pocket/socket. Them muscles wuz tore.

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Here's Rocks version...



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quote:
Originally posted by EVAD:
Here's Rocks version...


Pfui.

George Lopez, whom I find as humorous as a bladder infection, is such a mark and a tool, that if Dick Murdoch were to rise from the dead tomorrow and agree to an interview, he'd tell the story of the Two Hour Broadway Three Way Bunkhouse Stampede he had in Osaka Pro with Delirious and Kuishinbo Kamen...and be taken at his word.

Pfui.

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There are a million "eyes got gouged out by wrestler" stories. I've yet to hear one that's true.
When The Crusher died, Meltzer had a story about Crusher getting jumped by two guys after the matches in Chicago. Supposedly, one guy got shoved into a soda machine and Crusher knocked the guy's eye out. Verne Gagne said Mad Dog got into a fight in a bar, knocked a guy's eye out of the socket and was going to bite it off until stopped. Look around the web and you will find all kinds of these stories. Where are the newspaper articles? Where are the police reports?
All fantasy. They make for great stories, though. I'd like to believe them myself, but they aren't real.

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