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Crimson Mask from FL
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https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/brett-kavanaugh-refused-to-shake-hands-with-fred-guttenberg-parkland-victims-dad-at-senate-hearings-10698431

True tRumper. Ill mannered piece of sh*t.

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https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/09/13/kavanaugh-explains-why-he-didnt-shake-hands-with-parkland-dad-fred-guttenberg/

Seems pretty legit.

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Sure, if you've already decided to believe what your masters tell you rather than your own eyes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/09/13/kavanaugh-explains-why-he-didnt-shake-hands-with-parkland-dad-fred-guttenberg/

Seems pretty legit.

Seems to be stand up man.....if you ignore what you can see and also the alleged sexual assault.
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Yeah, this is practically noting other than bad PR, compared to Kavanaugh's growing #MeToo crisis.

Very simply, this is not the year to be having an accusation like this placed against you. Women voters are already fired up over the issue, and they'll probably be making their feelings known at the ballot box in greater numbers than ever before. It could pressure both Collins and Murkowski -- whom I hear is a borderline vote for as it is -- to vote against him and give cover to some vulnerable Dems like Heitkamp or Nelson, killing the confirmation.

As the article notes, the matter has been referred to the FBI.

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What I find funny is on twitter, Trumps blind followers are saying this person does not exist yet as far as I have read Kavanaugh has just said it never happened, not she did not happen to exist.
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Look over there, there's a witch. Burn the witch. Kill the witch.

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https://babylonbee.com/news/exclusive-report-kavanaugh-may-have-cheated-while-playing-the-floor-is-lava-as-a-child/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&ut m_campaign=benshapiro

Oh boy, this just broke. I hope Trump can find another SCOTUS candidate before the election.

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Again....none of the Trumpets can actually answer my question. But here is one to you Thunder....do you think someone who commits a crime should be an elected official? I do take it you are against sexual assault and recognize it as a crime. So again I ask, why are you so ready to dismiss this allegation when Kavanaugh himself has not denied the person exists? Tell me....if you are being falsely accused of sexually assaulting someone who does not exist, what is your first defence?

1) No, I did not do it
or
2) She does not even exist

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So what if the person exists? It doesn't mean he did what she alleges.He's vehemently denying the allegation. Again, I find the timing very convenient. But hey, since it goes against someone on the opposite end of your aisle, he should be denied, right? Odd how the same people who are feigning outrage spoke glowingly of Ted Kennedy, a fvucking murderer of a beautiful young female.

Here's what I do know of most perverts who violate female. They typically have a pattern. It doesn't stop at one victim. I wouldn't be shocked if other females are going to be coached or paid off to make allegations against this guy. Dems are sore losers and desperate as fvck.

Mark my word, when Trump is up for re-election in 20, and if the economy keeps rolling the same, the Dems are going to march out the whores with their bogus allegations. They can't run on the economy , trade, or foreign policy, so they'll appeal to females emotions, which isn't that hard to do.

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Skated around the basic question asked, didn't he?

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Okay, no someone who committed sexual assault shouldn't be in such a high office. I'm very suspicious of the timing. I think anyone with two working brain cells who has an ounce of objectivity should be suspicious of the timing. I don't want to live in a society where a mere unsubstantiated allegation years ago destroys someone life.

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So women who accuse someone of sexual assault are now whores?
If they would only wear long dresses and no make up no of this would happen.

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Yup. He did.

Now I did not say he did assault anyone. What I asked is why you Trumpets are saying she does not exist and try to change the subject when he himself has not. Also, so if he -did- do it and as you say there are more victims because well.. that is what they do, not stop at one victim.... hw does it feel to have potentially insulted sexual assault victims, assuming there are more, since again, according to you they do not stop at one?

Fact of the matter is this.

He has been accused of a serious crime. So why not remove himself until the investigation has concluded? Would that not make more sense?

As for Teddy Kennedy...well....involuntary manslaughter is what he should have got. It was a traffic accident, albeit a drunk driving one, but still one. Murder and manslaughter are two different animals.

Trump and bogus whore allegations huh....really? Like really? Going through that porn star, last thing I would do is say Trump's whores are bogus lol.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
Okay, no someone who committed sexual assault shouldn't be in such a high office. I'm very suspicious of the timing. I think anyone with two working brain cells who has an ounce of objectivity should be suspicious of the timing. I don't want to live in a society where a mere unsubstantiated allegation years ago destroys someone life.

Ok so.... then maybe so we do not get someone who has committed sexual assault in office AND yet not let an allegation (btw, how long ago it was made is irrelevant) destroy someone...maybe he should hold off until an investigation has been done. Would that not make sense? If not, why not?
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quote:
Originally posted by djangoska:
So women who accuse someone of sexual assault are now whores?
If they would only wear long dresses and no make up no of this would happen.

If they're false allegations, that makes them a dirty whore.

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And if they are not? Since no investigation has been done and all and YOUR words state sexual predators don't stop at one...
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quote:
Originally posted by Cory:
quote:
Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
Okay, no someone who committed sexual assault shouldn't be in such a high office. I'm very suspicious of the timing. I think anyone with two working brain cells who has an ounce of objectivity should be suspicious of the timing. I don't want to live in a society where a mere unsubstantiated allegation years ago destroys someone life.

Ok so.... then maybe so we do not get someone who has committed sexual assault in office AND yet not let an allegation (btw, how long ago it was made is irrelevant) destroy someone...maybe he should hold off until an investigation has been done. Would that not make sense? If not, why not?
Ding ding. You've nailed the left's agenda. Stall this nomination for months. If the Dems control the Senate, that'll guarantee that Kavanaugh will never be nominated. That's what this whole thing is about. Just curious, why didn't this broad bring these allegations when he was a nobody? Why now?

I miss the days of non-partisanship nominations. Scalia passed with flying colors. Today, he'd cause Dems to have coronaries. RBG, Kagan, and Sotomayor passed rather easily. This nomination should be slam dunk.

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This broad huh.... classy guy. But you still did not answer my questions, one based on again, your words.
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The Dems controlling the Senate is a longshot, so the delay probably won't matter much, if one occurs.

Now, I will say that it's not impossible -- none of "The Pros From Dover" believed they'd do it in 2006, which had a much higher bar to pass for flipping seats -- but even if the Dems do take the Senate in November, the lame duck session of this Congress should not preclude Kavanaugh's confirmation vote. Kyl will have been seated (if he hasn't been already), so that even if Murkowski and Collins balk, he's still makes it.

But that added few weeks to have the FBI look into things isn't likely to change things up at all.


Unless a LOT more Republicans turn on him after the election.

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quote:
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This broad huh.... classy guy. But you still did not answer my questions, one based on again, your words.

What question? Why some Trump supporters think she doesn't exist? How the fvck would I know why they're writing this? They all do not speak for me.

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quote:
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The Dems controlling the Senate is a longshot, so the delay probably won't matter much, if one occurs.

Now, I will say that it's not impossible -- none of "The Pros From Dover" believed they'd do it in 2006, which had a much higher bar to pass for flipping seats -- but even if the Dems do take the Senate in November, the lame duck session of this Congress should not preclude Kavanaugh's confirmation vote. Kyl will have been seated (if he hasn't been already), so that even if Murkowski and Collins balk, he's still makes it.

But that added few weeks to have the FBI look into things isn't likely to change things up at all.


Unless a LOT more Republicans turn on him after the election.

If Collins and Murkowski vote no, and the Dems are unanimous in their vote, he's toast. I think the antics of the left may have pushed anyone in the middle towards Kavananaugh. I wouldn't be surprised if Jones in Alabama voted to confirm. Remember, he only won because he went up against the most flawed candidate one can think of. If he votes no in the heart of the Bible Belt, he's done for 2020. Btw, you think there's a chance Sessions may run for his old seat?

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quote:
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maybe he should hold off until an investigation has been done. Would that not make sense? If not, why not?

Again using your own words....someone who has committed sexual assault should NOT be in a position of power and yet we should not let just an allegation of a crime stop ruin someone's life. So my question exists.

I know you posted something about Dems doing this to stop him from being nominated and put in, but since there is no investigation done how do you know the first part of your own words is not going to happen, ie, someone who committed sexual assault getting a position of power?

Would it not be better to have an investigation done to eliminate all doubts?

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Cory:
maybe he should hold off until an investigation has been done. Would that not make sense? If not, why not?

Again using your own words....someone who has committed sexual assault should NOT be in a position of power and yet we should not let just an allegation of a crime stop ruin someone's life. So my question exists.

I know you posted something about Dems doing this to stop him from being nominated and put in, but since there is no investigation done how do you know the first part of your own words is not going to happen, ie, someone who committed sexual assault getting a position of power?

Would it not be better to have an investigation done to eliminate all doubts?

Absolutely not! I'm sorry, but what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? If Kavanaugh is railroaded because of a conveniently long investigation, when does this madness end? Btw, how do you prove this? If there's a letter of apology from Kavanaugh owning up to his assault when it happened, then I guess it's slam dunk and no investigation needed. If there were multiple eyewitnesses who seem credible, then I suppose there might be something there. That doesn't seem to be the case. it's his word against hers.

You know, I can't wait until a darling of the left is hit with some unsubstantiated allegation. I guarantee you that the same people who want Kavanaugh ruined will be defending the liberal gem. I can tell you wholeheartedly that if this does happen, I'll be laughing at the turn of events, but on the other hand I'll be defending him. If you can't see how this can be dangerous for men, you're blind.

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How do you prove guilt without an investigation? A lot of "if's" in your statement there. If, if, if... Remember though, in the case of Cosby, it was his word against theirs...innocent until he was proven guilty.. how did that turn out? I am not saying the two cases are similar, just using an example.

So I take it from other posts you are a man of justice, correct? So why would you not want justice here? An investigation would prove him innocent to which he can finish what he is doing, OR can prove him guilty. As a man of justice, would that not be what you would want? Also please explain how investigating potential sexual assaults can be dangerous for men. I really want to see that.

Oh wait no... too many whores, right?

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quote:
Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
quote:
Originally posted by Travlr:
The Dems controlling the Senate is a longshot, so the delay probably won't matter much, if one occurs.

Now, I will say that it's not impossible -- none of "The Pros From Dover" believed they'd do it in 2006, which had a much higher bar to pass for flipping seats -- but even if the Dems do take the Senate in November, the lame duck session of this Congress should not preclude Kavanaugh's confirmation vote. Kyl will have been seated (if he hasn't been already), so that even if Murkowski and Collins balk, he's still makes it.

But that added few weeks to have the FBI look into things isn't likely to change things up at all.


Unless a LOT more Republicans turn on him after the election.

If Collins and Murkowski vote no, and the Dems are unanimous in their vote, he's toast. I think the antics of the left may have pushed anyone in the middle towards Kavananaugh. I wouldn't be surprised if Jones in Alabama voted to confirm. Remember, he only won because he went up against the most flawed candidate one can think of. If he votes no in the heart of the Bible Belt, he's done for 2020. Btw, you think there's a chance Sessions may run for his old seat?
If Kyl hasn't been seated, then he's done. Otherwise, if Murkowski and Collins vote no and he votes yes, then the final vote goes to Pence as President of the Senate. Kavanaugh is confirmed


As for the "the antics of the left may have pushed anyone in the middle towards Kavananaugh", you probably haven't been watching the polls: The latest one I have from a couple of days ago is a split vote, but it's still 39-38 against, with 23% unsure.

Which falls into line with the next newest poll from last week, showing virtually the same results, 39-38 against.

VOX did a review of 8 different polls from FOX, CNN, Pew and others dating back to July to come up with a pretty simple point: Kavanaugh is a very unpopular Supreme Court pick. And no-one's seeing the middle moving towards Kavanaugh.

If anything, the lines are drawn, and opinions are set.


In the Senate, there ain't much of a "middle" to move anymore, both Parties doing their level best to see to that. Seeing the political landscape heading into November, I think the Dems are becoming more likely to vote as a block against. Including Jones, Heitkamp, Nelson, Donnelly, and Manchin.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
Ding ding. You've nailed the left's agenda. Stall this nomination for months.

And yet again, hypocrite much?

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And since you clucks have, as always when lacking any actual response, moved the goalposts, choke on this:



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And yet again, what is with these clucks and their poofy combovers over fat faces?

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Our System Is Too Broken to Assess the Sexual Assault Claim Against Kavanaugh

Says lots of things about how and why the system isn't going to do much about the charge (and why the letters in question sat for so many days on the two Democratic Congresswomen's desk, among other important points). But I think the best takeaway from the article is the quote from investigative reporter Irin Carmon from when she received her Mirror Award for her work on the Charlie Rose sexual harassment story:

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There’s a temptation to think the last few months have been about individual men, that it was about a handful of bad apples and if we get rid of them it will end the cycle of harassment and abuse. But it’s not true. The stories that we have been doing are about a system. The system has lawyers and a good reputation. It has publicists. It has a perfectly reasonable explanation about what happened. It has powerful friends that will ask if it’s really worth ruining the career of a good man based on what one women says, what four women say, what 35 women say. Indeed, the system is sitting in this room. Some more than others. The system is still powerful men getting stories killed that I believe will one day see the light of day.
"It has powerful friends that will ask if it’s really worth ruining the career of a good man based on what one women says, what four women say, what 35 women say." Haven't we heard that sort of thing a lot lately. And on these very same pages?

It's the system. And some have a very vested interest in seeing it not only maintained, but fortified....

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quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
And since you clucks have, as always when lacking any actual response, moved the goalposts, choke on this:


We should correct the heading to read "Future POTUS Harris". I can't wait for BT's reaction when she's voted in.

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With all the comments about this person not existing, and curious about the timing....well.. I have a few things to say.

One: Just because the person is anonymous, does not mean she is non-existent. Her name is known, just not publicly. Hell, Kavanaugh has not denied her existence. She is a real person.

Two: The timing... even more curious is he just happens to have names of 65 women who support him and how he was in high school. Who keeps those type of references handy "just in case"? Yeah, no one. They knew this could come up and had a contingency plan.

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quote:
Originally posted by OSJ from NM by way of WA:
quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
And since you clucks have, as always when lacking any actual response, moved the goalposts, choke on this:


We should correct the heading to read "Future POTUS Harris". I can't wait for BT's reaction when she's voted in.
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OK Thunder....now it is no longer anonymous, what excuse are you bringing? He has now been publicly accused. Is it time for an investigation now? Or are you going to call this alleged victim a whore too?

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I can see why President Pussygrabber likes this guy.

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quote:
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OK Thunder....now it is no longer anonymous, what excuse are you bringing? He has now been publicly accused. Is it time for an investigation now? Or are you going to call this alleged victim a whore too?

If there's no credible witnesses or physical evidence like pictures or letters exchanged, it comes down to his word versus her word. In other words, a circus, which would be the libs wet dream. Nope, this nomination must go forward, and if Anita Hill 2.0 wants to pursue this, she can.

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Yeah... have you met Weinstein or Cosby? It all started with a he said/she said. Are you glad they investigated? I know I am. How is here different other than you are not getting what you want? And before you say I want something, I will explain. I want justice if a crime is committed. As a parent who is going through a he said/she said deal with my 17 yr old daughter and a family member right now (she was ten when it happened), I have a vested interest in justice for people who commit sexual assault. Why are you against an investigation? Why is it not time? Are you not the one who said someone who has committed a sexual assault should not be in a position of power? So why not make sure it does not happen?

Well, a real person has publicly accused him. Why is she not credible? Is she "one of those lying whores" you spoke about? Also, why would he have "65 women with statements on his do goodiness" prepared already if this accusation just came out? Let's hear your theory on that. Also what makes him credible and not her?

Yeah..I see you being adamant about his innocence and all and it being a witch hunt, but it seems more and more like it is not what you are saying. Btw, wasn't Anita Hill correct? I mean... they refused her collaborating witnesses and she passed the lie detector test that Thomas refused to take so....

Hey.... how about this, let Kavanaugh take one and the victim take one. It won't be valid in a court of law but if she is just some "whore" setting him up, this would go a long way to prove it, no?

Don't worry, I expect you to gloss over what is posted and keep posting the same drivel while curiosities (since it is all circumstantial) keeps getting compiled. I know... too many questions to answer that would require you to back peddle or at least acknowledge he may be in fact guilty.

I am sure he is innocent...just like Cosby, and Weinstein.

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I don't agree with a lot of Kavanaugh's stances, but Weinstein and Cosby both had dozens of victims -- to the point that there was absolutely no way all the women were fabricating the stories. For Cosby especially, the stories were out there for many years.

Perhaps more women will come forward against Kavanaugh, but this doesn't seem at all like Cosby or Weinstein to me -- and I say that as someone who thinks Kavanaugh was cowardly for running away from the father of the Parkland shooting victim.

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My point to use them as examples is it started out the same way this one against Kavanaugh has. He said/she said. That was what Thunder's reasoning for not doing an investigation on these now public allegations. More victims came forward as investigations started. But it started the same.
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Well... she did take a lie detector test and passed. So....is that enough proof for at least an investigation, Thunder? First, she was anonymous, now she is not. Then it was hidden type of allegation. Now it is public. Then it was he said/she said. She took a polygraph and passed. Pretty sure investigations on sexual assault has been started on less.

So.... I am interested in hearing your theory on why none should be done now. Whatcha got?

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