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Party over country by the House GOP Intel committee

Disgusting

I increasingly think about the line in the oath " all enimies foreign and domestic".

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quote:
Originally posted by SHOOTER:
"Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee reached the opposite conclusion Monday from the intelligence community they oversee, announcing that Russian President Vladimir Putin was not trying to help Donald Trump win the 2016 election"...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/house-republicans-russia-conclusions/index.html

I'm sure anyone else investigating this will eventually admit the same.

I'll trust the Intelligence Agencies pros over the Pols any day of the week and twice on Friday prior to the usual data dump.

The Senate Committee is still in session, and shows no sign of shutting down anytime soon, BTW.

And, of course, this has no real bearing on the criminal -- yes, criminal; the DoJ wouldn't be involved at all if it wasn't -- investigation that is still on-going. And Mueller's team, as we know, isn't just investigating possible criminal collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russian gov't operatives -- there's campaign finances, obstruction of justice (my favourite), money laundering, perjury, lying to investigators, and so many other avenues open to the wide-ranging directive to the Special Counsel's Office.

Via Slate: Mueller’s Choice of Criminal Charges: Why the Trump Team Should Be Very Worried

And yeah, there's a lot of options open to Mueller & Co. When Deputy AG Rosenstein appointed him, he didn't lease him: He was ordered to go where the facts led him, not to narrow his focus on just the Collusion and Obstruction aspects. Of course, SHOOTER still hasn't figured this part out, which continues to amuse me.



And as Bloomberg reports, Mueller may be weighing putting off his decision on the Obstruction question:
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Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into whether President Donald Trump obstructed justice is said to be close to completion, but he may set it aside while he finishes other key parts of his probe, such as possible collusion and the hacking of Democrats, according to current and former U.S. officials.

That’s because Mueller may calculate that if he tries to bring charges in the obstruction case -- the part that may hit closest to Trump personally -- witnesses may become less cooperative in other parts of the probe, or the president may move to shut it down altogether.

Or, in other words, he knows what he knows, but wants to know more about other aspects of the investigation before lowering the boom (if there is one).

And at least two interviews are going to have to be done before any such release, anyway. Trump, pere et fils, are still on the docket....and that scares the bejeezus out of Cohen, Cobb and the rest of the White House legal staff.....

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Oh, gotta love this bit from a sitting Republican member of the House Intelligence Committee: "We've gone completely off the rails"
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After the House intelligence committee announced it was shutting down its probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, a Republican who sits on it said he believes the committee has lost its credibility.

"We have gone completely off the rails, and now we're basically a political forum for people to leak information to drive the day's news," GOP Rep. Tom Rooney said during an interview on CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront"...

"We have lost all credibility and we're going to issue probably two different reports, unfortunately."

He goes further, suggesting that because there won't be a joint report written "then we really have just completely wasted a year of everybody's time."


Once again showing that Chairman Nunes is Donnie's little House lapdog who does tricks for treats. And given his standing in his California CD, he's going to need it....

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And yet another breakaway committee member, but this time, it's a much bigger name in the GOP Caucus: Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton.
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A top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee distanced himself Tuesday from one of the panel's most explosive findings in its Russia investigation — that the FBI, CIA and NSA overplayed their hand when they declared Russia preferred a Donald Trump victory in the 2016 election.

Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina said that the evidence gathered by the committee clearly showed Russia's disdain for Trump's rival, Hillary Clinton, and was "motivated in whole or in part by a desire to harm her candidacy or undermine her Presidency had she prevailed."

A source familiar with Gowdy's thinking said the congressman believes there's no difference between opposing Clinton and backing Trump in what had become, effectively, a two-person race. The source added that Gowdy "disagrees with the conclusion" that the intelligence agencies got it wrong.

In essence, that's Gowdy saying that the Chair's announcement was all wrong. That "there's no difference between opposing Clinton and backing Trump" bit really says it all.

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Eh, Gowdy has always been a Clinton loving librul anyway.

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quote:
Originally posted by diamondmd:
Eh, Gowdy has always been a Clinton loving librul anyway.

I've heard Gowdy get called many many things over the years, but I think that was a first.....

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In no surprise, finally getting that he's backed into a corner, tWumpy throws his subordinates under the bus:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-sanctions-russians-for-interference-in-u-s-elections-1521124200

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Dumpster loyalty is a one way crooked street . But with the Russian/Putin trump is way over his head. They are master of this game and I don't doubt they have a ton of dirt on him. Maybe not pee tapes but shady or illegal business deals, hiding money, so forth Only reason they aren't animousaly sending it in to 60 minutes and Mueller is trump is the perfect useful fool for them and a one man wrecking ball in the White House.

If by some miracle he woke up and hecame another Regan or Truman, there would be a truckload of stuff on Muellers desk and 60 minutes with Moscow stamps on the envelopes

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So much to go through from the last while. Let's start with the first conviction in the investigation. It's a relatively minor conviction -- 30 days and $20,000 for lying to the prosecutors and failing to turn over emails as requested -- but it shows that we may be finishing the second act, and the real "fun" is about to start.


Let's hop to a really interesting story now: Mueller told Trump’s attorneys the president remains under investigation but is not currently a criminal target

Now this is really interesting because it's laden with semantics and legal terms and definitions.
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Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III informed President Trump’s attorneys last month that he is continuing to investigate the president but does not consider him a criminal target at this point, according to three people familiar with the discussions.

In private negotiations in early March about a possible presidential interview, Mueller described Trump as a subject of his investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Prosecutors view someone as a subject when that person has engaged in conduct that is under investigation but there is not sufficient evidence to bring charges.

The special counsel also told Trump’s lawyers that he is preparing a report about the president’s actions while in office and potential obstruction of justice, according to two people with knowledge of the conversations.

"Target" versus "Subject". There's some fine legalistic hair-splitting for you. As they note:
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Mueller’s description of the president’s status has sparked friction within Trump’s inner circle as his advisers have debated his legal standing. The president and some of his allies seized on the special counsel’s words as an assurance that Trump’s risk of criminal jeopardy is low. Other advisers, however, noted that subjects of investigations can easily become indicted targets — and expressed concern that the special prosecutor was baiting Trump into an interview that could put the president in legal peril.
And part of the use of the term "subject" probably applies to a couple of other stories that have made their way to the front pages, as well.

As CNN reports,
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Special counsel Robert Mueller's team has taken the unusual step of questioning Russian oligarchs who traveled into the US, stopping at least one and searching his electronic devices when his private jet landed at a New York area airport, according to multiple sources familiar with the inquiry...

...The situations have one thing in common: Investigators are asking whether wealthy Russians illegally funneled cash donations directly or indirectly into Donald Trump's presidential campaign and inauguration.

Investigators' interest in Russian oligarchs has not been previously reported. It reveals that Mueller's team has intensified its focus into the potential flow of money from Russia into the US election as part of its wide-ranging investigation into whether the Trump team colluded with Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election.

The approach to Russian oligarchs in recent weeks may reflect that Mueller's team has already obtained records or documents that it has legal jurisdiction over and can get easily, one source said, and now it's a "wish list" to see what other information they can obtain from Russians entering the US or through their voluntary cooperation...

...One area under scrutiny, sources say, is investments Russians made in companies or think tanks that have political action committees that donated to the campaign.

Another theory Mueller's office is pursuing, sources said, is whether wealthy Russians used straw donors -- Americans with citizenship -- as a vessel through which they could pump money into the campaign and inauguration fund.

Again, it's that money trail that Mueller seems to be following. And a new player has entered the investigation: The United Arab Emirates.

And surprise, surprise, one of the witnesses WRT the UAE, has strong ties to Russia. The UAE first came into the picture last year when Mueller & Co. started looking into the story about a proposed "back channel" to Russia sought by Blackwater founder Erik Prince (brother to SecEd DeVos) so the Kremlin and the White House could chat privately. Seems that there may be some more in that story than first suggested. And that witness noted above, George Nader, is now cooperating in the investigation.

This all seems, to me, to be a case of "follow the money", and probably does have at least some bearing on why Trump has been adamant about not releasing his tax returns. Of course, Mueller probably already has them; as noted pages previously, the IRS doesn't have to say when they have turned over tax records in criminal investigations (and this very much is that, as much as pro-Trump-types try to downplay it).


In a side-note to the whole thing, Good Ol' Paul Manafort's attempt to use a civil case to get Mueller off his back just got shot full of holes by a Federal Judge, and while it has yet to be thrown out, the judge's pointed comment of, "I don’t really understand what is left of your case" after she had torn into all the legal arguments that Manafort's lawyer brought to the bar, suggests that Manafort's in for a much worse time of it. In fact, as the story notes, they seem to be expecting more indictments. Which could be kinda fun to see what they are, given the charges already before him....



And one last one, from Jeffrey Toobin, writing for The New Yorker. And it's all about the term "collusion":
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Is collusion a crime? That is one of the central questions of the investigation into Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections. Even if it could be proved that Donald Trump and his supporters worked with the Russian government, or with Russian citizens, to win the Presidential race, would that activity have violated United States law? It’s long been an article of faith for Trump supporters, and for Trump himself, that collusion is not illegal. As the President told the Times in an interview last December, "There is no collusion, and even if there was, it’s not a crime."

Now, it appears, Trump’s own Justice Department may have a different view. That conclusion appears in a document released earlier this week, in the course of pre-trial litigation in the case of Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, on charges including money laundering.

IN short, the DoJ thought collusion was a crime from the very moment that Deputy AG Rosenstein directed Mueller that he had the authority to investigate
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Allegations that Paul Manafort:

Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government’s efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law;

"Committed a crime or crimes by colluding..."

Pretty plain speaking in such a legalistic world, don't you think?

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quote:
Originally posted by Travlr:
So much to go through from the last while. Let's start with the first conviction in the investigation. It's a relatively minor conviction -- 30 days and $20,000 for lying to the prosecutors and failing to turn over emails as requested -- but it shows that we may be finishing the second act, and the real "fun" is about to start.




Let's hop to a really interesting story now: [URL=ht
tps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-told-trumps-attorneys-the-president-remains-under-investigation-but-is-not-currently-a-criminal-target/2018/04/03/d7832cf0-36c1-11e8-a cd5-35eac230e514_story.html?utm_term=.f819aa0c45df]Mueller told Trump’s attorneys the president remains under investigation but is not currently a criminal target[/URL]

Now this is really interesting because it's laden with semantics and legal terms and definitions.
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Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III informed President Trump’s attorneys last month that he is continuing to investigate the president but does not consider him a criminal target at this point, according to three people familiar with the discussions.

In private negotiations in early March about a possible presidential interview, Mueller described Trump as a subject of his investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Prosecutors view someone as a subject when that person has engaged in conduct that is under investigation but there is not sufficient evidence to bring charges.

The special counsel also told Trump’s lawyers that he is preparing a report about the president’s actions while in office and potential obstruction of justice, according to two people with knowledge of the conversations.

"Target" versus "Subject". There's some fine legalistic hair-splitting for you. As they note:
quote:
Mueller’s description of the president’s status has sparked friction within Trump’s inner circle as his advisers have debated his legal standing. The president and some of his allies seized on the special counsel’s words as an assurance that Trump’s risk of criminal jeopardy is low. Other advisers, however, noted that subjects of investigations can easily become indicted targets — and expressed concern that the special prosecutor was baiting Trump into an interview that could put the president in legal peril.
And part of the use of the term "subject" probably applies to a couple of other stories that have made their way to the front pages, as well.

As CNN reports,
quote:
Special counsel Robert Mueller's team has taken the unusual step of questioning Russian oligarchs who traveled into the US, stopping at least one and searching his electronic devices when his private jet landed at a New York area airport, according to multiple sources familiar with the inquiry...

...The situations have one thing in common: Investigators are asking whether wealthy Russians illegally funneled cash donations directly or indirectly into Donald Trump's presidential campaign and inauguration.

Investigators' interest in Russian oligarchs has not been previously reported. It reveals that Mueller's team has intensified its focus into the potential flow of money from Russia into the US election as part of its wide-ranging investigation into whether the Trump team colluded with Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election.

The approach to Russian oligarchs in recent weeks may reflect that Mueller's team has already obtained records or documents that it has legal jurisdiction over and can get easily, one source said, and now it's a "wish list" to see what other information they can obtain from Russians entering the US or through their voluntary cooperation...

...One area under scrutiny, sources say, is investments Russians made in companies or think tanks that have political action committees that donated to the campaign.

Another theory Mueller's office is pursuing, sources said, is whether wealthy Russians used straw donors -- Americans with citizenship -- as a vessel through which they could pump money into the campaign and inauguration fund.

Again, it's that money trail that Mueller seems to be following. And a new player has entered the investigation: The United Arab Emirates.

And surprise, surprise, one of the witnesses WRT the UAE, has strong ties to Russia. The UAE first came into the picture last year when Mueller & Co. started looking into the story about a proposed "back channel" to Russia sought by Blackwater founder Erik Prince (brother to SecEd DeVos) so the Kremlin and the White House could chat privately. Seems that there may be some more in that story than first suggested. And that witness noted above, George Nader, is now cooperating in the investigation.

This all seems, to me, to be a case of "follow the money", and probably does have at least some bearing on why Trump has been adamant about not releasing his tax returns. Of course, Mueller probably already has them; as noted pages previously, the IRS doesn't have to say when they have turned over tax records in criminal investigations (and this very much is that, as much as pro-Trump-types try to downplay it).


In a side-note to the whole thing, Good Ol' Paul Manafort's attempt to use a civil case to get Mueller off his back just got shot full of holes by a Federal Judge, and while it has yet to be thrown out, the judge's pointed comment of, "I don’t really understand what is left of your case" after she had torn into all the legal arguments that Manafort's lawyer brought to the bar, suggests that Manafort's in for a much worse time of it. In fact, as the story notes, they seem to be expecting more indictments. Which could be kinda fun to see what they are, given the charges already before him....



And one last one, from Jeffrey Toobin, writing for The New Yorker. And it's all about the term "collusion":
quote:
Is collusion a crime? That is one of the central questions of the investigation into Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections. Even if it could be proved that Donald Trump and his supporters worked with the Russian government, or with Russian citizens, to win the Presidential race, would that activity have violated United States law? It’s long been an article of faith for Trump supporters, and for Trump himself, that collusion is not illegal. As the President told the Times in an interview last December, "There is no collusion, and even if there was, it’s not a crime."

Now, it appears, Trump’s own Justice Department may have a different view. That conclusion appears in a document released earlier this week, in the course of pre-trial litigation in the case of Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, on charges including money laundering.

IN short, the DoJ thought collusion was a crime from the very moment that Deputy AG Rosenstein directed Mueller that he had the authority to investigate
quote:

Allegations that Paul Manafort:

Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government’s efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law;

"Committed a crime or crimes by colluding..."

Pretty plain speaking in such a legalistic world, don't you think?

I have to say Trav, although we have different views on things I can always count on your posts if I am behind on the news to get me up to speed. With that being said one could also look at this as he hasn't found anything yet on Trump himself, so let's "throw some more against the wall and see if anything sticks".
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Exactly, Killllllllla. Liberal Alan Dershowitz is against this probe and has stated that the President would be unwise to speak to Mueller. If he's subpoenaed, he needs a lawyer there to hold his hand. Dershowitz is convinced that Mueller has no Russian connection or obstruction of justice, so he's gonna try and get him on perjury. He even said that someone can perjure themselves even if they're consistent with their statements. if Trump contradicts someone's statement and the overwhelming believe is that the other person was truthful, Trump can be brought up on perjury.

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quote:
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Exactly, Killllllllla. Liberal Alan Dershowitz is against this probe and has stated that the President would be unwise to speak to Mueller. If he's subpoenaed, he needs a lawyer there to hold his hand. Dershowitz is convinced that Mueller has no Russian connection or obstruction of justice, so he's gonna try and get him on perjury. He even said that someone can perjure themselves even if they're consistent with their statements. if Trump contradicts someone's statement and the overwhelming believe is that the other person was truthful, Trump can be brought up on perjury.

you have identified one "liberal" whose is against this... time for a parade.. and not the one Cadet wants...

maybe this will help understand the following statement:

He even said that someone can perjure themselves even if they're consistent with their statements...

yes, If your lying to start with and your consistent with the statements.. thats perjury

aint nobody "trapping" him by asking questions..

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quote:
Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
Exactly, Killllllllla. Liberal Alan Dershowitz is against this probe and has stated that the President would be unwise to speak to Mueller. If he's subpoenaed, he needs a lawyer there to hold his hand. Dershowitz is convinced that Mueller has no Russian connection or obstruction of justice, so he's gonna try and get him on perjury. He even said that someone can perjure themselves even if they're consistent with their statements. if Trump contradicts someone's statement and the overwhelming believe is that the other person was truthful, Trump can be brought up on perjury.

You have to stop calling Alan Dershowitz a liberal. He has gone full tRumpanzee.

You never go full tRumpanzee.

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Killllla, I'm thinking that Obstruction charges are far more likely against Trump than anything else. But as always, "follow the money" -- especially with the emoluments case moving forward in the courts) -- because that's where the proof of any collusion with the campaign and Russia will come from (I'm beginning to truly suspect that Trump had no idea most/all his senior personnel were cozying up willingly or unknowingly, and that's no great thing for a leader to have no idea what his subordinates are up to).

It wouldn't surprise me to see money laundering charges laid at Trump's feet from all this, either. It's been that sort of investigation....

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The scariest thing about this investigation is Mike Pence. I'd rather have Trump.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/attorney-federal-agents-seize-documents-trump-lawyer-201704919--politics.html

not much details, another nail in the coffin

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This is very big. Firstly, because the FBI is pretty careful about raiding a lawyer's office for documents; it's a legal minefield that can take out friend and foe.

Secondly, because, well, it's the President's personal lawyer. That's a minefield of another colour (mostly blue and red), but no less dangerous.

And finally, because, as per the NYT, "The seized records include communications between Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen."

Now that's VERY big. The whole "attorney-client" thing, right?

They also raided a room Cohen's staying in at the Loews Regency Hotel (his own apartment is apparently undergoing renos).

The other reason why this is big? The WaPo says that Cohen is under investigation for possible bank fraud, wire fraud and campaign finance violations. That's an ugly bit of possible indictments -- the bank fraud is probably related to the Stormy Daniels pay-off, that Trump has blown out of the water with his own remarks lately that seem to nullify any NDA that had been in place, but that's another thread. And the campaign finance violations make me wonder if they may be more directly involved WRT the Russia aspect of Mueller's investigation.

Exactly where these documents (and computers, phones, etc.) may lead investigators....? But it may be fun watching (and speculating, of course; we all love to do that). I expect that the answer will be less bombastic than most are hoping for....

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A couple of takeaways about the raids on Cohen's office, home and hotel room.

First, U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman in New York secured the warrants, based on a referral by Mueller. That referral was almost certainly approved by Deputy AG Rosenstein. Berman was appointed by Trump, but he obviously considered the case serious enough to issue the search warrants.

US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President. But as we saw in 2005 -- let alone 1973 -- firing one (or more) during a big news story or stories can have very negative effects on an Administration.


Two: As I mentioned above, seizing records of communications between a lawyer and his client is a big thing. In fact, it's about as rare as you can get, legalistically. In fact, the US Attorney's Manual (9-13.420) says the following on the subject:
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In order to avoid impinging on valid attorney-client relationships, prosecutors are expected to take the least intrusive approach consistent with vigorous and effective law enforcement when evidence is sought from an attorney actively engaged in the practice of law.
Okay. So. An FBI Raid was apparently the "least intrusive approach". Makes one wonder about the seriousness of the crimes, doesn't it?


And finally....A federal magistrate judge had to review the request for a search warrant and apparently also found probable cause that Cohen’s office contained evidence of a specified federal crime.


All this, to me, gives a lot of legitimacy to the FBI raids. And points to this being a big deal. And a much bigger deal than I initially thought....

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quote:
Originally posted by Travlr:
A couple of takeaways about the raids on Cohen's office, home and hotel room.

First, U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman in New York secured the warrants, based on a referral by Mueller. That referral was almost certainly approved by Deputy AG Rosenstein. Berman was appointed by Trump, but he obviously considered the case serious enough to issue the search warrants.

US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President. But as we saw in 2005 -- let alone 1973 -- firing one (or more) during a big news story or stories can have very negative effects on an Administration.


Two: As I mentioned above, seizing records of communications between a lawyer and his client is a big thing. In fact, it's about as rare as you can get, legalistically. In fact, the US Attorney's Manual (9-13.420) says the following on the subject:
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In order to avoid impinging on valid attorney-client relationships, prosecutors are expected to take the least intrusive approach consistent with vigorous and effective law enforcement when evidence is sought from an attorney actively engaged in the practice of law.
Okay. So. An FBI Raid was apparently the "least intrusive approach". Makes one wonder about the seriousness of the crimes, doesn't it?


And finally....A federal magistrate judge had to review the request for a search warrant and apparently also found probable cause that Cohen’s office contained evidence of a specified federal crime.


All this, to me, gives a lot of legitimacy to the FBI raids. And points to this being a big deal. And a much bigger deal than I initially thought....

Berman not only was appointed by Trump he was actually personally interviewed by him before he got the job.
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They also raided a room Cohen's staying in at the Loews Regency Hotel (his own apartment is apparently undergoing renos).

Ha ha. Trump's own lawyer isn't staying in a Trump hotel.

Secondly. I've stayed there. Rates can be reasonable when they have enough vacancies, but the $100-per-night parking fee is a b*tch.

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Cute bit from George Takei today:
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It appears MAGA stands for "My Attorney's Getting Arrested." Oh myyy.


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Apparently US Attorney Berman has recused himself from the Michael Cohen investigation

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quote:
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Cute bit from George Takei today:
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It appears MAGA stands for "My Attorney's Getting Arrested." Oh myyy.

Mr Sulu set phasers on stun.

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So now T-Rump virtually telegraphs his plans to launch a missile attack on Syria (and maybe even Russia?) in yet another petulant tweet.

Does anyone think, even for a second, that this man would hesitate to ignite a "Wag-the-Dog" confrontation (that could easily escalate into World War III) just for the sake of distracting attention from the legal crisis now threatening to envelop him?

Almost makes me nostalgic for the days of a drunken, paranoid-delusional Richard Nixon with his own trembling hand on the nuclear button. At least he had a few sane people around him willing to defy his orders if they became totally unhinge. Anyone left on the T-Rump team who matches that description?

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For the record, I'm completely against any attack on Syria. There's something that just doesn't add up here. You mean to tell me that the week Trump announces a departure from Syria, Assad decides to gas the rebels? This makes no sense. Even if he did gas his own people, I'm not willing to send my kids to go off and die. This looks like WMD 2.0.

I'm not an apologist for Assad, but at least he's secular and protects Christians. Can anyone honestly say Iraq and Libya are better off now with Hussein and Kaddafi, respectively/

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quote:
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So now T-Rump virtually telegraphs his plans to launch a missile attack on Syria (and maybe even Russia?) in yet another petulant tweet.

Does anyone think, even for a second, that this man would hesitate to ignite a "Wag-the-Dog" confrontation (that could easily escalate into World War III) just for the sake of distracting attention from the legal crisis now threatening to envelop him?

Almost makes me nostalgic for the days of a drunken, paranoid-delusional Richard Nixon with his own trembling hand on the nuclear button. At least he had a few sane people around him willing to defy his orders if they became totally unhinge. Anyone left on the T-Rump team who matches that description?

uhhmm... YES.... thats why he is so dangerous.. and a fricking idiot

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Via Jim Wright of Stonekettle Station:
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His comment: "Either he's on a new medication or somebody changed the channel on Trump's TV to CNN without telling him."

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Those two tweets aren t mutually exclusive.
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What dimension do you live in?

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Kayfabe the Mizarks, brother.

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Still say Russia has a ton of dirt on him, decades of business practices, Facebook trolls, money laundering, so forth. Right now they aren’t saying anything as he is a one man wrecking ball in the White House. If dumpster suddenly turned into a Regan or Truman regarding Russia, a truckload of evidence would land in the desks of Mueller, The DNC, 60 minutes and the New York Times
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quote:
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For the record, I'm completely against any attack on Syria. There's something that just doesn't add up here. You mean to tell me that the week Trump announces a departure from Syria, Assad decides to gas the rebels? This makes no sense. Even if he did gas his own people, I'm not willing to send my kids to go off and die. This looks like WMD 2.0.

I'm not an apologist for Assad, but at least he's secular and protects Christians. Can anyone honestly say Iraq and Libya are better off now with Hussein and Kaddafi, respectively/

Meet the new boss...

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quote:
Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
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Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
For the record, I'm completely against any attack on Syria. There's something that just doesn't add up here. You mean to tell me that the week Trump announces a departure from Syria, Assad decides to gas the rebels? This makes no sense. Even if he did gas his own people, I'm not willing to send my kids to go off and die. This looks like WMD 2.0.

I'm not an apologist for Assad, but at least he's secular and protects Christians. Can anyone honestly say Iraq and Libya are better off now with Hussein and Kaddafi, respectively/

Meet the new boss...
ANd let's face it, with the news that Cohen is under criminal investigation, COmey's book about to come out, rumours of Trump looking to fire both Sessions and Rothstein, his snarling at the COngressional GOP about the spending bill and his efforts to claw back the spending against their wishes, and even his pardoning Scooter Libby.....

....the timing is just a wee bit suspicious, eh?

Especially since he was just saying yesterday or the day before that there might not even be a military response by the US over the gassing (I'm not prepared to use the term "alleged" here, not with Assad).

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Trump in 2013 on the subject:
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There is a tRump tweet for every occasion.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
For the record, I'm completely against any attack on Syria. There's something that just doesn't add up here. You mean to tell me that the week Trump announces a departure from Syria, Assad decides to gas the rebels? This makes no sense. Even if he did gas his own people, I'm not willing to send my kids to go off and die. This looks like WMD 2.0.

I'm not an apologist for Assad, but at least he's secular and protects Christians. Can anyone honestly say Iraq and Libya are better off now with Hussein and Kaddafi, respectively/

I don't know what definition of "secular" enables inclusion for Assad. Religion in Syria is subject to government regulation. It just so happens that in the Syrian political context, in which a Shi'a minority community rules a majority-Sunni population, Sunni revivalism is more threatening to the state than Christians.

Furthermore, protection for religious minorities isn't simply a "secular" value; the Syrian model might appear at first glance to be a kind of modernization of the classical Islamic millet system, in which the state authority was defined as Islamic but various religious communities could govern themselves on matters of personal law. The Islamic millet system would recognize Christians as a largely self-governing community. Pluralism isn't by necessity "secular."

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Nikki Haley announces more sanctions against Russia and 24 hours later the Tangerine Idi Amin reverses that announcement and gets mad that she made it in the first place.

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quote:
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Nikki Haley announces more sanctions against Russia and 24 hours later the Tangerine Idi Amin reverses that announcement and gets mad that she made it in the first place.

When it comes to dealing with dictatorships I'll let Trump do what he wants. He seems to know how to handle them much better then previous administrations.
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quote:
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Nikki Haley announces more sanctions against Russia and 24 hours later the Tangerine Idi Amin reverses that announcement and gets mad that she made it in the first place.

When it comes to dealing with dictatorships I'll let Trump do what he wants. He seems to know how to handle them much better then previous administrations.
Since he's trying awfully hard to emulate most of them, I suppose that only stands to reason....

The other fact that the State Department has been effectively gutted since Trump took power makes it even less surprising that things like this happen regularly now....

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quote:
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When it comes to dealing with dictatorships I'll let Trump do what he wants. He seems to know how to handle them much better then previous administrations.

That HAS to be a rib, right?

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