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Old School Drew from NY
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31679&item=5102274785&rd=1

Ironically I just bought the Phantom of the Opera on DVD with him on it and now I see this. Please tell me this is not some strange irony?

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Just a coincidence. The guy pictured on the poster is not the actor Lon Chaney.
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If that's indeed from the 30's, it couldn't be Lon Chaney Sr., he was dead by 1931, I belive, with cancer. Don't think Jr. ever wrestled either. Whoever that is, I kinda even doubt their first name is Lon (I don't see anything on there that says it actually is).

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Lon Chaney Jr. was a big guy ( 6-3, 6-4),and had a husky physique..

He didn't act until after his Dad's death in 1931..

Still....don't think it's him

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If that's indeed from the 30's, it couldn't be Lon Chaney Sr., he was dead by 1931, I belive, with cancer.

August 1930, yes.

I kinda even doubt their first name is Lon (I don't see anything on there that says it actually is).

Click on the second picture in the ad and enlarge it. You'll see the Lon printed there both under the guy's picture and above his name where it tells who he was facing.

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ok, then...well, here's another thing to kill it being one of THE Lons:

Jr. didn't even take up the "Lon" name until later on, because his film career wasn't going well, and he took his father's name to cash in.

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Thanks guys. I honestly couldn't tell. In the movie he wore that Phantom, disfigured makeup(I believe it was makeup?)and the guy in that ebay photo kinda looks like he could fit the mold but I am glad its been confirmed otherwise.
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Originally posted by Oldschooldrewc:
Thanks guys. I honestly couldn't tell. In the movie he wore that Phantom, disfigured makeup(I believe it was makeup?)and the guy in that ebay photo kinda looks like he could fit the mold but I am glad its been confirmed otherwise.

The appearance as the Phantom was more than just make-up, he did some pretty weird stuff to get that effect, including putting wires around his eyes and inside his nose to get the effect. It hurt like hell, and he wouldn't do it for something like a wrestling show. Here's a pic of him sans make-up for comparison:

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Hmm. The guy sorta looks like Lon Chaney Jr. to me.

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Hmm. K. Born 1906. Now the possible years, assuming we can throw out after his film career was going, where Thursday fell on June 2, the day and date on the poster, are 1927 and 1932 (the year he started acting), and I guess it's POSSIBLE he coulda used the name for wrestling even though he used his given first name for acting at first, so...

... COULD that be a 21 or 26 year old Lon Chaney Jr.? I'm not convinced it isn't.

So long from the Sunshine State!

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2 Addt'l items:

1)- 1945 Abbott & Costello movie " Here Come the Co-Eds" has Abbott wrestling " The Masked Marvel": played by Lon Chaney Jr.

2)- On a website maintained by Chaney Entertainment ( a Chaney grand child) they mention wrestling as a hobby and interest of his....

It could be him !!

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 - Jr. from 1939, in OF MICE AND MEN, before his alcoholism caused him to start blimping up in the face. The pic above in CM's post is from at least the mid-to-late 1940's.

just trivia really, but he didn't change his name to Lon Jr until 1937.

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That pic looks retouched with great force, though.
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I always wondered about this, but after doing some checking, Chaney's acting career took off in 1936. He made 12 movies in 1938, so I doubt he had time to wrestle during the summer months (see below). In 1944-1945, he was cranking out the horror films and was quite successful, so again, I don't think he would have been doing as much wrestling as listed below.

I talked to a few guys who might have remember him, but they didn't know anything or remember much. I'll see what else I can find and will post it here if I learn anything.

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Mobile, Alabama: June 24, 1932
Lon Chaney beat Jack Purdin (2-3)

Mobile, Alabama: July 1, 1932
The Masked Marvel beat Lon Chaney (2-3)

Mobile, Alabama: September 9, 1932
The Masked Marvel beat Lon Chaney (2-3)

Mobile, Alabama: October 14, 1932
(Light Heavyweight Title Match) Wano Kentonnen* (Ketonen) vs Lon Chaney

Note: No result was given for the match between Wano Ketonen and Lon Chaney. Two comments were made in the newspaper account. One -- ?... the preliminary match was amateurish and a decided flop.? Two -- ?The least said about it, the better; and yet, there have been worse.? The title was billed as the Light Heavyweight Title of England, although no record can be found of Ketonen actually having won the title in England or anywhere else.

Mobile, Alabama: March 10, 1933
Lon Chaney beat Joe Dillman (2-3)

Mobile, Alabama: March 24, 1933
Kid Lott beat Lon Chaney (2-3, third fall by dq)

Mobile, Alabama: April 7, 1933
Lon Chaney beat George Harbin (2-3)

Mobile, Alabama: April 21, 1933
(Return Match) Al Stecher beat Lon Chaney (2-3)

Mobile, Alabama: May 19, 1933
Charlie Cure beat Lon Chaney (2-3, third fall by dq)

Mobile, Alabama: September 1, 1933
Eddie Pope drew with Lon Chaney (60:00, 1-1)

Mobile, Alabama: September 8, 1933
Tuffy Cleets beat Lon Chaney (2-3)

Mobile, Alabama: October 20, 1933
Stanley Hackley beat Lon Chaney (sub for Eddie Baker) (2-0)

Mobile, Alabama: July 13, 1934
Jimmy Logas beat Lon Chaney (2-0)

Mobile, Alabama: May 31, 1935
Don Cortez beat Lon Chaney (2-0, second fall by dq)

Nashville, Tennessee: October 23, 1936
Lon Chaney vs Johnny Mars

Nashville, Tennessee: October 25, 1935
Lon Chaney beat Ray Meyers

Nashville, Tennessee: November 8, 1935
Lon Chaney beat Schoolboy Knox

Nashville, Tennessee: November 15, 1935
Schoolboy Knox beat Lon Chaney (dq)

Nashville, Tennessee: December 6, 1935
Lon Chaney beat Count Rossi (dq)

Nashville, Tennessee: December 13, 1935
Johnny Mars drew with Lon Chaney

Nashville, Tennessee: January 10, 1936
Johnny Mars beat Lon Chaney

Mobile, Alabama: July 3, 1936
Johnny Marrs beat Lon Chaney (2-3)

JULY 8, 1936 (WEDNESDAY) – AUGUSTA, GA – NEW COLISEUM
(Bill Metzger – Promoter)
> Lon Chaney defeated Yusef Hussane (2-0)


Mobile, Alabama: July 17, 1936
Johnny Marrs drew with Lon Chaney (1-1, 60:00)

Mobile, Alabama: July 24, 1936
Lon Chaney beat Joe Dillman (2-0)

JULY 29, 1936 (WEDNESDAY) – AUGUSTA, GA – NEW COLISEUM
(Bill Metzger – Promoter)
> Southern Lightweight Title Match: Lon Chaney defeated Johnny Marrs* to win title
Notes: Johnny Marrs had been billed as the Southern Lightweight Champion since June 17, 1936.


Mobile, Alabama: July 31, 1936
Lon Chaney vs Chief War Eagle

AUGUST 5, 1936 (WEDNESDAY) – AUGUSTA, GA – NEW COLISEUM
(Bill Metzger – Promoter)
> Lon Chaney and Honey Boy Hackney wrestled to a draw

AUGUST 12, 1936 (WEDNESDAY) – AUGUSTA, GA – NEW COLISEUM
(Bill Metzger – Promoter)
> Lon Chaney defeated Yusef Hussane


Mobile, Alabama: August 14, 1936
Lon Chaney beat Billy McEwan (2-3)

Mobile, Alabama: August 19, 1936
Balk Estes beat Walter Miller (2-0)

Mobile, Alabama: August 21, 1936
Mike Mazarian beat Lon Chaney (2-3, third fall by dq)

Note: Lon Chaney was billed as the Southern Light Heavyweight champion, reportedly winning it from Jim Hesslyn ?recently? (see July 29, 1936) in Augusta, Georgia. No reference, though, was made of the title after his loss to Mike Mazarian.

AUGUST 25, 1936 (TUESDAY) – AUGUSTA, GA – NEW COLISEUM
(Bill Metzger – Promoter)
> Southern Lightweight Title Match: Lon Chaney* defeated Yusef Hussane (2-0)
Notes: Lon Chaney had been the reigning Southern Lightweight Champion since he defeated Johnny Marrs on July 29, 1936, in Augusta.

SEPTEMBER 2, 1936 (WEDNESDAY) – AUGUSTA, GA – NEW COLISEUM
(Bill Metzger – Promoter)
> Boxing Match: Yusef Hussane defeated Lon Chaney by KO in sixth round


Mobile, Alabama: September 4, 1936
Charlie Layden beat Lon (Terrible) Chaney (2-0)

SEPTEMBER 18, 1936 (FRIDAY) – AUGUSTA, GA – NEW COLISEUM
(Bill Metzger – Promoter)
> Lon Chaney versus Sammy McClaren
Notes: No documented results for this match have been found.

SEPTEMBER 23, 1936 (WEDNESDAY) – AUGUSTA, GA – NEW COLISEUM
(Bill Metzger – Promoter)
> Southern Lightweight Title Match: Mike Nazarian defeated Lon Chaney* (2-1) to win title
Notes: Lon Chaney had been the reigning Southern Lightweight Champion since he defeated Johnny Marrs on July 29, 1936, in Augusta.

SEPTEMBER 30, 1936 (WEDNESDAY) – AUGUSTA, GA – NEW COLISEUM
(Bill Metzger – Promoter)
> Jack Ross defeated Lon Chaney

OCTOBER 7, 1936 (WEDNESDAY) – AUGUSTA, GA – NEW COLISEUM
(Bill Metzger – Promoter)
> Buddy Knox defeated Lon Chaney (2-0)


Mobile, Alabama: October 9, 1936
Eddie Wayland beat Lon Chaney (2-0)

Nashville, Tennessee: October 30, 1936
Lon Chaney beat Johnny Mars

Nashville, Tennessee: November 6, 1936
Lon Chaney beat Lee Meyers

Nashville, Tennessee: November 13, 1936
Lon Chaney beat Count Rossi

Nashville, Tennessee: November 20, 1936
Roy Welch beat Lon Chaney

Nashville, Tennessee: December 29, 1936
Eddie Weyland beat Lon Chaney

Mobile, Alabama: January 12, 1938
Lon Chaney beat Joe Dillman (2-0)

FEBRUARY 18, 1938 (FRIDAY) – AUGUSTA, GA – NEW COLISEUM
(L.A. Roche – Promoter)
> Jimmy Logas versus Lon Chaney
Notes: No documented results for this match have been found.


Mobile, Alabama: February 19, 1938
Lon Chaney vs Roy Welch

Mobile, Alabama: February 26, 1938
Lon Chaney beat Tony Marchino (2-0)

Mobile, Alabama: March 2, 1938
Lon Chaney beat Tex Riley (2-0)

Mobile, Alabama: March 16, 1938
Sid Markus beat Lon Chaney (2-0, first fall by dq)

Mobile, Alabama: March 30, 1938
(Grudge 8-Round Boxing Match) Sid Markus beat Lon Chaney (dq in the fourth round)

Mobile, Alabama: April 20, 1938
Charley Keene beat Lon Chaney (2-3)

Mobile, Alabama: May 4, 1938
Lon Chaney beat Walter Percy (2-3)

Mobile, Alabama: May 11, 1938
Jack Kogut beat Lon Chaney (2-0)

Mobile, Alabama: June 22, 1938
Joe Gunther beat Lon Chaney (2-3, third fall by dq)

Mobile, Alabama: July 13, 1938
Billy McEwen beat Lon Chaney (1-0)

Columbus, Ohio: January 2, 1939
The Great Mephisto beat Lon Chaney

OCTOBER 20, 1939 (FRIDAY) – ATLANTA, GA – WARREN ARENA
(Frank Bettis and Cleve Roby – Promoters)
> Freddie Nichols versus Lon Chaney
Notes: No documented results for this match have been found.


Birmingham, Alabama: December 4, 1939
Lon Chaney beat Charlie Keene

DECEMBER 8, 1939 (FRIDAY) – ATLANTA, GA – SPORTS ARENA
(Tom McCarthy – Promoter / Georgia Championship Wrestling)
> Jack McAdams versus Lon Chaney
Notes: No documented results for this match have been found.


Birmingham, Alabama: December 11, 1939
Lon Chaney beat Jack Steele

Birmingham, Alabama: December 18, 1939
Art O'Mahoney and Joe Gunther beat Lon Chaney and Bob Corby

Nashville, Tennessee: February 25, 1941
Lon Chaney beat Bill Canny

Nashville, Tennessee: March 4, 1941
Lon Chaney beat Moody Palmer

Nashville, Tennessee: March 11, 1941
Billy Stinson beat Lon Chaney

Nashville, Tennessee: December 2, 1941
Lon Chaney beat Tex Riley

Nashville, Tennessee: December 9, 1941
Roy Welch beat Lon Chaney

Nashville, Tennessee: December 16, 1941
Dick Lever beat Lon Chaney

Nashville, Tennessee: December 30, 1941
Green Shadow and Lon Chaney beat Dick Lever and Roy Welch

Nashville, Tennessee: January 6, 1942
Roy Welch vs Lon Chaney

Nashville, Tennessee: January 13, 1942
Lon Chaney beat Sailor Parker

Nashville, Tennessee: January 20, 1942
Lon Chaney beat Carlos Rodriquez

Nashville, Tennessee: February 3, 1942
Green Shadow beat Lon Chaney

Nashville, Tennessee: March 17, 1942
Lon Chaney beat Herb Welch

Nashville, Tennessee: March 24, 1942
Buddy Knox beat Lon Chaney

Nashville, Tennessee: April 7, 1942
Lon Chaney and Bob Castle beat Buddy Knox and Roy Welch

Nashville, Tennessee: April 14, 1942
Buddy Knox and Roy Welch beat Lon Chaney and Bob Castle (dq)

Nashville, Tennessee: April 21, 1942
Buddy Knox beat Lon Chaney

Columbus, Ohio: October 12, 1944
Whitey Walberg beat Lon Chaney

Columbus, Ohio: November 2, 1944
Dave Reynolds beat Lon Chaney

Columbus, Ohio: November 9, 1944
Ray Chapman beat Lon Chaney

Akron, Ohio: February 3, 1945
Rufus Jones and Black Panther beat Lon Chaney and Dutch Schultz

Akron, Ohio: February 24, 1945
Herb Parks beat Lon Chaney

Akron, Ohio: June 23, 1945
(South Main Gardens) ... Don Eagle beat Angelo Martinellie (Eagle refused the win when Martinellie was injured) ... Wayne Martin beat Balk Estes ... Lon Chaney beat Black Panther

Nashville, Tennessee: January 1, 1946
John Carlin beat Lon Chaney

Tampa, Florida: February 11, 1946
Joe Szabo drew with Lon Chaney

Edited to add in Georgia matches featuring "Lon Chaney". Has anyone ever confirmed who this was?

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So then ol' Creighton WAS, indeed, a pro wrestler?!? [Eek!]
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No no. Scott's saying it probably COULDN'T have been him.
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As stated before, according to the official website: http://www.lonchaney.com , wrestling was a hobby of his (I have no idea what that means). But I also found this:
http://www.classicscreams.com/ChaneyJr.html
It mentions pretty much the same stuff, except that in this one, it says that he was a referee for a short time. I do not know how legitimate the information is.

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Anybody ever figure out who this was?

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Just throwing this out there, since Chaney spent a lot of time in Alabama in the 1930s, I've searched a bit on him. As far as I can tell, his real name was Carl Chaney, from Bloomington, Indiana and reportedly trained under accomplished Indiana wrestling coach, Billy Thom. The earliest references to him I can find are from matches in Indianapolis in 1929. I don't know if he actually went to Indiana University, as most papers of that time make constant references to wrestlers' collegiate backgrounds, but the most prominent detail about Chaney's life they repeated was that he apparently raised ducks back home in Bloomington. He wrestled as Carl until 1931.

The earliest result for "Lon Chaney" in WrestlingData.com is October 1931, and after that, there are no more references to Carl. There are lot of holes in the data for Indiana in the 1920s-30s, but I'm trying to fill those in. I have lots of newspaper clippings for him from all over the South and the Mid-West, so it will just take time to get everything abstraced and entered.

I'm hoping, at some point, I can find some real biographical information. I still haven't found any solid evidence for his real name, DOB, DOD, etc. His WD record has the usual gap from 1941-1945, so he probably served in the military, but without a legitimate name, I can't find a draft or enlistment record. He is one of several light heavyweights I've been studying from that time period.

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Lon Chaney Jr was a wrestler, and was known for wrestling with stuntmen and other minor actors in his dressing room or trailers during lunch breaks. I like reading movie books & magazines, and it's in there.----Yohe
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Based on Wrestlingdata.com .....

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