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Claymation Quartermain
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Why did Gary Hart go to WWF and quit the same day he got there?

I would think he would have been a vital behind the scenes resource to Vince even if he wasn't used as on air talent.

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In his book iirc he said Bruno had been told he badmouthed him and was hostile. Couldn't reconcile so was on his way.
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Pete Sanchez who Hart knew from Amarillo told Bruno Hart was saying derogatory things about him.
Hart denies this although concedes he regarded him as the WWWF champion not the World champ.
Bruno puts the mockers on a Hart run.
George Steele tells Bruno that Hart is a good guy but Bruno won't listen. Hart has one night at MSG is impressed and gets a $250 payoff from VJM who he says was a great guy.

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I never knew Hart worked there. I remember in an interview, Greg Valentine said when he went North during the expansion, he was told Jimmy Hart was going to be his manager. He thought they said Gary Hart and was disappointed when he met Jimmy.
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As well he should have been.

Regardless, I don't recall who, but in his book, he wrote that one of his friends got him to come. However, Gary had heat with Stronbow, and when he realized the stroke Stronbow had, he knew it wasn't going to work.

I'm doing all this from memory, at 5am, no less, so don't hold me to this being 100% on the money. But I think I'm pretty close to what he wrote.

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Book says he was scouting Ivan Koloff for Jim Barnett.
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Crimson Mask from FL
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Gary said that Scarpa deliberately screwed up his travel arrangements, I think it was, so that he would miss his first gig.

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Yup, now that I'm reading it, the travel thing sounds right. But at any rate, it was heat with Scarpa that scuttled that opportunity.

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Oh. Was that in a shoot? The book tells it as Bruno scuppered it. He does mention Strongbow being fired and them not getting on because of an incident in Atlanta when Hart was Booker.
Was there another WWF attempted run. He says that he only ever had one night in New York. Was he bought back after Bruno left?

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Crimson Mask from FL
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Pretty sure it was in the book.

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chgowolvs44
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quote:
Originally posted by Back pops:
Oh. Was that in a shoot? The book tells it as Bruno scuppered it. He does mention Strongbow being fired and them not getting on because of an incident in Atlanta when Hart was Booker.
Was there another WWF attempted run. He says that he only ever had one night in New York. Was he bought back after Bruno left?

It's in the book, as is Bruno having heat with him.

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quote:
Originally posted by Back pops:

Was there another WWF attempted run.

Yes, summer of 1984 during the national expansion. He was at the airport ready to fly up there.
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Maybe for the best Hart never had a WWF run (at least onscreen). I have a strong feeling they would’ve mishandled him. I keep imagining a scene where Gary Hart gets cake smeared on his head at Uncle Elmer’s wedding.

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If I remember the book correctly, WWF wanted Hart to manage Brutus Beefcake. Hart didn't want them to tell him who to manage. Later on, WWF wanted Hart to be Doink (Borne)'s manager and dress up like an evil circus ringmaster. Hart essentially told them to stuff it.

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WWE still had interest in Hart well into the 2000s. There was talk of bringing him in to manage Umaga and guys like Dusty Rhodes & Michael Hayes were lobbying for it.
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Completely missed that chapter when I read it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Back pops:
Completely missed that chapter when I read it.

The Umaga thing was mentioned in the WON shortly after Hart passed.
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Thanks. I meant the 84 one. Just read it now. No idea about the Umaga thing. Really enjoyed the book but actually didn't like Hart as a manager. Always seemed off to me.
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Vince wanted him to do the Curly-Shuffle when his man was losing instead of just sitting or standing in his man's corner doing nothing as he usually did.
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quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
Gary said that Scarpa deliberately screwed up his travel arrangements, I think it was, so that he would miss his first gig.

Hart was to manage a guy from Canada who is probably best known from the Savoldi ICW as Giant Gustav or Gustav The Giant, but who would have had some sort of monster heel gimmick in the WWF. The WWF taped its Kiel Auditorium cards for TV throughout 1984. Hart arrived in St. Louis first and was told by Jay Strongbow to wait at the airport for Gustav's plane to arrive and drive him to the arena. Hart waited and there was no Gustav on the plane. He checked in and was told to wait for the next flight. He waited and again the guy didn't get off the plane. Hart eventually went to the arena and found Gustav already there, then realizing that Strongbow had been messing with him. Mr. Fuji then said something Hart took as insulting and reminded Hart of trouble he'd had with Fuji in Georgia in the mid 1970s. He decided that the WWF waters were too shark infested and walked away that night before ever appearing at ringside or on TV.
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quote:
Originally posted by tamalie from MN:
quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
Gary said that Scarpa deliberately screwed up his travel arrangements, I think it was, so that he would miss his first gig.

Hart was to manage a guy from Canada who is probably best known from the Savoldi ICW as Giant Gustav or Gustav The Giant, but who would have had some sort of monster heel gimmick in the WWF. The WWF taped its Kiel Auditorium cards for TV throughout 1984. Hart arrived in St. Louis first and was told by Jay Strongbow to wait at the airport for Gustav's plane to arrive and drive him to the arena. Hart waited and there was no Gustav on the plane. He checked in and was told to wait for the next flight. He waited and again the guy didn't get off the plane. Hart eventually went to the arena and found Gustav already there, then realizing that Strongbow had been messing with him. Mr. Fuji then said something Hart took as insulting and reminded Hart of trouble he'd had with Fuji in Georgia in the mid 1970s. He decided that the WWF waters were too shark infested and walked away that night before ever appearing at ringside or on TV.
going by memory.. didnt Fugi ask him about Pot and whether he had any?

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Yeah and Fuji had been the one who had narked on him to the office in Ga. Plus Fuji was a pothead himself.

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quote:
Originally posted by Back pops:
Book says he was scouting Ivan Koloff for Jim Barnett.

Why would he have to scout Koloff for Barnett. Ivan Koloff worked for Barnett in Georgia many times including as one half of the top heel tag team with booker Ole Anderson.

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January 19th 1970. For Australia. Barnett said make sure he isn't a Crushed Verdu.
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quote:
Originally posted by Claymation Quartermain:
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Originally posted by Back pops:
Book says he was scouting Ivan Koloff for Jim Barnett.

Why would he have to scout Koloff for Barnett. Ivan Koloff worked for Barnett in Georgia many times including as one half of the top heel tag team with booker Ole Anderson.
This was in 1970, before Barnett owned Georgia. Hart said he went to New York to take a look at Ivan Koloff and was well treated by VJM and the WWWF brass, but later said he was given a bad rap by Bruno over an apparent misunderstanding and the potential of going there as a manager later was lost. The incidents with Strongbow and Fuji happened in 1984.
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In the book he also mentions that he talked to Vince in 88 or 89 and worked out a deal to bring Muta to the WWF. Hart felt that Muta would be jobbed out if he stayed in WCW and hurt his value in the States. He also thought WWF would market him better and they’d make more off merchandise. Muta balked at the idea and stuck with WCW much to Hart’s disapproval. Hart said that decision ultimately ended their working relationship.
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I think the heat with Bruno was a whole other thing not related to that aborted run in the '80s.

IIRC from his book, Hart worked as a manager vs. Bruno in Houston. During a spot when Bruno got Hart in his bearhug, Hart told him, "We could make a lot of money with this in MSG," and Bruno replied, "That won't be necessary."

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It was a really good read, but can see why it's never been reprinted as he spares no one.
As well as the usual suspects there's a few surprises. Kabuki and Muta are portrayed as glorified job guys who he moulded into stars but without him were still job guys. Also Sting was completely buried, dug up, set on fire then buried again. Doesn't match with the other info out there.

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Keiji Muto was going to be a star in New Japan no matter what, with or without Hart and the Muta gimmick. That he became a star in the States with WCW can be attributed to the Great Muta gimmick because as White Ninja in Florida and Super Black Ninja with the WWC in Puerto Rico and with World Class, the guy didn't move needle.

Kabuki as Takachio was doing basically nothing. He was just another Japanese heel, working the midcard of various territories and was in Central States before he got the gimmick that made him famous. He had no body, average size, and hadn't made it big anywhere. The Kabuki gimmick made him a main event to near main event guy in World Class, JCP, and Georgia with some shots elsewhere. His trajectory was downward without this gimmick.

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The book covers that and how he came up with the Kabuki gimmick. In both cases when they listened to the Booker rather than him, he said that they had reverted to their jobber mentality.
Considering the career both of them had post Hart it's not credible.

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