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Gerry K. Fabian
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Just read an interesting item in the New Yorker about Chuck Wepner, mostly focusing on the new movie about him. Apparently he wrestled Victor the wrestling bear a couple of times. Can't find those on WrestlingData; anybody have clips? How much did Wepner participate in wrestling beyond the famous match with Andre?

A couple of matches from Chicago with Ali taking on wrestlers in preparation for Inoki:



Is that Vern doing the commentary. . . and talking about himself in third person?



Questions:
Other than the non-match with Gorilla Monsoon and the Inoki match, did Ali work any other wrestling matches as an actual participant (as opposed to being at ringside)?

What was the point of having Gagne, Bruiser, and Blassie involved? Is Ali suppoosed to be the heel?

Did these two matches happen the same night?

Here are highlights of Ali-Wepner:


Maybe I've just been watching too much wrestling, but it looks to me like Ali is working a bit here, taking a bump on purpose and letting Wepner last almost all the way. Opinions?

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quote:
Originally posted by Gerry K. Fabian:
Just read an interesting item in the New Yorker about Chuck Wepner, mostly focusing on the new movie about him. Apparently he wrestled Victor the wrestling bear a couple of times. Can't find those on WrestlingData; anybody have clips? How much did Wepner participate in wrestling beyond the famous match with Andre?

A couple of matches from Chicago with Ali taking on wrestlers in preparation for Inoki:



Is that Vern doing the commentary. . . and talking about himself in third person?



Questions:
Other than the non-match with Gorilla Monsoon and the Inoki match, did Ali work any other wrestling matches as an actual participant (as opposed to being at ringside)?

What was the point of having Gagne, Bruiser, and Blassie involved? Is Ali suppoosed to be the heel?

Did these two matches happen the same night?

Here are highlights of Ali-Wepner:


Maybe I've just been watching too much wrestling, but it looks to me like Ali is working a bit here, taking a bump on purpose and letting Wepner last almost all the way. Opinions?

He goes down because Wepner stands on his foot
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He toyed with Wepner-- that is until Wepner pulled the step-on-his-foot-knock-down.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gerry K. Fabian:
Just read an interesting item in the New Yorker about Chuck Wepner, mostly focusing on the new movie about him. Apparently he wrestled Victor the wrestling bear a couple of times. Can't find those on WrestlingData; anybody have clips? How much did Wepner participate in wrestling beyond the famous match with Andre?

A couple of matches from Chicago with Ali taking on wrestlers in preparation for Inoki:



Is that Vern doing the commentary. . . and talking about himself in third person?


No.




Questions:
Other than the non-match with Gorilla Monsoon and the Inoki match, did Ali work any other wrestling matches as an actual participant (as opposed to being at ringside)?


Actually Inoki ended up not being a work.

What was the point of having Gagne, Bruiser, and Blassie involved? Is Ali suppoosed to be the heel?

I guess for the benefit of Japan. Always wondered that too.

Did these two matches happen the same night?

Yes.

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Ali and Kiniski did a loop of " the battle of the mouths" in Canada 🇨🇦. No matches but radio debates. This was during Ali's suspension in the 60s. Kiniski gave Ali mad props as a "worker"

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The ESPN 30 For 30 on Wepner talks about the wrestling bear; naturally, much of the episode is about the Ali fight. Wepner said that even after Ali was left nearly unable to speak by his Parkinson's, Ali would come up to Wepner and step on his foot every time he would see him.

Vince McMahon is also interviewed in the 30 For 30 episode in reference to the Wepner-Andre the Giant bout. Footage is also shown from Andre-Wepner.

The episode is one of the more interesting 30 For 30s, although there is a lot of bitching from Wepner about Sylvester Stallone "stealing my entire life" for Rocky. Wepner's involvement in the "Operation Bullpen" autograph scam in never mentioned in the episode.

Operation Bullpen was a massive, nationwide scam of autographs that fleeced buyers out of tens of millions of dollars. Wepner's involvement in the scam was relatively small and less brazen in that he signed his autograph to photos of him knocking down Ali, then forged Ali's autograph on the same photo. The 30 For 30 episode also showed Wepner's business card, in which he refers to himself as "The Real Rocky."

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Did Stallone pay Wepner?
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Wepner sued Stallone and they settled out of court.
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Since I just found this and then found this thread, Here's Ali "fighting" Lyle Alzado.


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Gerry K. Fabian
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Thanks for the replies, everybody. Interesting stuff!

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Can't wait to see the movie about Chuck starring Liev Schrieber. The trailer looks awesome.

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quote:
Originally posted by Liz Hunter's Boyfriend:
Did Stallone pay Wepner?

In the 30 For 30, Vince McMahon looks right into the camera and says: "If I could give one word of advice to Stallone on dealing with Chuck's lawsuit, it's this: settle."

Wepner also talked about Thunderlips throwing Rocky over the top rope in Rocky III (the epsiode had just showed Andre the Giant throwing Wepner over the top rope). That was the context behind Wepner's comment about Stallone "stealing my entire life," first in the original Rocky and again in Rocky III.

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