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GreyGhost from MS
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Feuding announcers.
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Let's not forget, forced fed baby faces, who they refuse to turn heel.
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Cynthia Celeste Miller from KS
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Most of mine have already been mentioned from what I read of the thread (admittedly, I made it only about 3/4 through Page 1).

But this is one I haven't seen mentioned yet and it's one of the ones I despise the most: THE CONSTANT USE OF HOT TAGS!

I don't mind hot tags on occasion, but it happens numerous time in every tag match. Look, the babyface isn't logically going to come in like a house on fire every damn time they get tagged in. Sometimes, that heel is going to clobber them as soon as they get in the ring. But not in pro wrestling! Ugh!

Sadly, this hot tags have been overused for decades.

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quote:
Originally posted by I shop at One Stop:
"Divas" with hair the color of a carnival troll doll and the BS mega eye lashes every single diva is required to wear.

I'm with you here! I don't mind one or two having loud hair color, just to make them different. But if just about all of them are doing it, none of them are different.

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quote:
Originally posted by Curt Injurker:

The myth that the WWF writers room is populated by "Hollywood writers." Even the worst dreck on the edges of your extended cable package is 100x better written than WWE TV programs.

Also the myth that because people don't come from wrestling that they don't know what they are doing and that you need wrestling people. WCW had lots of wrestling people at the top and it was terrible more often than good.
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quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
Oh wait. The BIGGEST one---THE BACK PIN. Are they SERIOUS? This sucks worse than anything else.

This is a big one for me. How am I supposed to believe you're trying to win a match when you're going for a pin with your back against your opponent's stomach? How is that supposed to prevent them from kicking out?
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Think all of mine have been mentioned.

My biggest pet peeves, all WWE related as I don't watch anything else.

1. Commissioners/Owners/Authority figures. Especially all the McMahons.

2. The constant quick zoom in/out and quick cuts on almost every spot. I think I get the reasons for it but I hate it.

3. Guys who are supposedly technically good but look to be in a rather elaborate dance with the other guy rather than a competitive match.

4. Whatever the hell they did in the last 2 Bray Wyatt PPV matches.

5. Mixing storyline/kayfabe and 'real life' in the same show. Not sure if they are doing this as much anymore but they were doing it for a long while and it's ridiculous.

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Another one is that a guy has to hit his big finishing move several times to get a pin. Last night Miz hit his skullcrushing finale thing on Ambrose and then had this total look of shock on his face. Even my wife who is just a casual viewer made the comment of "you know that never works the first time". Even the top of the card guys like Regins and Lesnar have to hit their big move 2 or 3 times to get a pin.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sed76:
Another one is that a guy has to hit his big finishing move several times to get a pin. Last night Miz hit his skullcrushing finale thing on Ambrose and then had this total look of shock on his face. Even my wife who is just a casual viewer made the comment of "you know that never works the first time". Even the top of the card guys like Regins and Lesnar have to hit their big move 2 or 3 times to get a pin.

Agree 100%. Again, I think that started in All Japan back in the early '90s. It was effective then because all the guys finishers were super over and putting them all in a six-man and watching them kick out built up the idea of "parity" at the top (which then translated to top drawing singles matches).

But nowadays, EVERYBODY does it in EVERY match and all it does is point out that nobody's finisher really means anything. And it leads to these lazy, formulaic cookie-cutter templates. Whereas if a killer move really was a killer move, you could build all sorts of little stories around the execution of those moves...and how wrestlers strategize to avoid and counter them. THEN, when they hit them, it would be huge. OR...if, once in a blue moon, someone kicked out, that would be even huger (ala Flair being the first in JCP to kick out of Snuka's splash).

I hate to keep going back to this but look at these highlights from the main event at our first show. Rey Mysterio and Jeff Hardy told a story built entirely around "The 619" (and Rey attempting to hit it four times).

Note how things progress with each attempt by Rey to hit the move...how Jeff reacts...and how our announcers (Ray Flores & Joel Gertner) get the story across. The clip doesn't show it but when Jeff goes for "The Twist of Fate" (and a subsequent "Swanton Bomb"), Rey doesn't kick out, he puts his foot across the bottom rope for the break. The psychology wasn't about kicking out of the other guy's finisher, it was about avoiding the other guy's finisher because they both knew that either could (and would) win the match.



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Rasslers not looking like rasslers, instead some look like cab drivers, landscapers or pale underweight guys wearing briefs.

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More isn't always more. Between Smackdown and Raw that's 3 hours of primetime wrestling every week. I'm partly convinced one of the reasons NXT is liked so much is because its only on 1 hour, once a week. It keeps everyone from being overexposed and leads to things being a little less predictable.

With Raw and Smackdown I just feel like I'm seeing the same stuff over and over.

Is there any doubt who is gonna win Bray's next feud? Ziggler's next fued? (Hint, it probably won't be Bray or Ziggler) Roman's next feud? (hint, it probably will be Roman).

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Don't get me wrong, because I am often nostalgic for how wrestling used to be. However, one of things that annoys me about today's wrestling is people critical of today's wrestling.
Is wrestling different than it used to be? Definitely. However, different doesn't mean necessarily better or worse, it just means different.
On TV every week I can watch WWE, ROH, New Japan, Impact, and different independent and lucha promotions. That doesn't even cover the options that are available through streaming like WWE Network (NXT), New Japan World, and others. I have access to more wrestling now than at any point in history and there's a lot of good wrestling out there.

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quote:
Originally posted by timbo_slice:
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Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
Oh wait. The BIGGEST one---THE BACK PIN. Are they SERIOUS? This sucks worse than anything else.

This is a big one for me. How am I supposed to believe you're trying to win a match when you're going for a pin with your back against your opponent's stomach? How is that supposed to prevent them from kicking out?
Yep, back to chest pins are the worst. Everyone trying to pin Andre the Giant or something.

That, evil authority figures dominating shows and the video game era of "finishing moves" are my three biggest bugbears.

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Everything. Modern wrestling sucks.

Honestly, that is my opinion, thank god there is still a ton of old stuff available online.

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quote:
Originally posted by timbo_slice:
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Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
Oh wait. The BIGGEST one---THE BACK PIN. Are they SERIOUS? This sucks worse than anything else.

This is a big one for me. How am I supposed to believe you're trying to win a match when you're going for a pin with your back against your opponent's stomach? How is that supposed to prevent them from kicking out?
And kick out of WHAT? There's NOTHING PINNING THE SHOULDERS.

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"Each and every one of you..."

Divas (or whatever they're caling them now) looking sideways, smiling at their partners as they walk down the aisle.

AND... In the immortal words of "Hustler" Rip Rogers performing a rousing rendition of Bill Haley and the Comets on Tuesday Karaoke Night... "Flip, Flop & Fly..I don't care if I die..."

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unusd tag ropes. why bring them back just to hang there. Force the tagger to hold it, give us a choke or two

baby oil on (male) bodies

Tag partners who don't know to move around the pole to make the tag easier- Arn & Tully were exceptional at this and any "specialists" should use it.

Failure to use the Jumbotron. Hell NFL players use it on breakaways, how about some dude laying in the ring

Never, EVER getting the pin on the second attempt.

Camera shots in closed offices, private discussions, etc.

Conflicts/issues that pick up where they left off last week. Friends (business associates) talk over 7 days, specially when something is wrong. Who waits til 9:55pm EST to get in front of 10,000 people to restart the discussion.

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-Leg slaps and hand claps to make a sound during a strike.

-Workers who don't even know how to throw strikes properly.

-Workers who have never done Jiu-Jitsu or any real form of grappling trying to work submissions and getting the techniques wrong.

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quote:
Originally posted by merc:

baby oil on (male) bodies

Not a modern innovation. Hackenschmidt accused Gotch of it.

Also Jack Brisco told a story about a something on a pole match once with a bunch of guys in it, and one of them was El Gran Apollo who was a BODYBUILDER and would oil up. Jack said Dory for a rib swiped Apollo's oil and put it on his trunks and made sure the first time he got to the pole he oiled the pole good, and nobody could climb the damn thing at all. Jack figured it out and looked a Dory and made a gesture letting him know he knew, and Dory was like nodding yes I did. Jack said Jerry was booked to win and had to break the pole to do it.

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Not so much seen but guys going over the entire match in the dressing room. I told two one night,  "This all sounds great but what if he pulls a hamstring in the first minute?" You'd have thought I'd asked them to split the atom. Also, Condrey and Eaton came in to work with two younger guys.  I forwarned them, "They're  not gonna listen to all that. Just listen  to what they tell you amd learn something."

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Another thing I hate is how the opening segment of any WWE show sets up the main event that night. It's so predictable.

And also when that match is set up, the person setting it up will never say, "You two will face each other in the main event." Instead, they say, "Tonight in the main event, it will be [Wrestler A] versus [Wrestler B]." It's always the exact same verbiage and it just sounds phony and lame.

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quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
quote:
Originally posted by merc:

baby oil on (male) bodies

Not a modern innovation. Hackenschmidt accused Gotch of it.

Also Jack Brisco told a story about a something on a pole match once with a bunch of guys in it, and one of them was El Gran Apollo who was a BODYBUILDER and would oil up. Jack said Dory for a rib swiped Apollo's oil and put it on his trunks and made sure the first time he got to the pole he oiled the pole good, and nobody could climb the damn thing at all. Jack figured it out and looked a Dory and made a gesture letting him know he knew, and Dory was like nodding yes I did. Jack said Jerry was booked to win and had to break the pole to do it.

When I asked Kevin Von Erich about working with guys who were legit shooters or hookers he said if he thought the guy was somebody who might try to stretch him or who had a rep for doing that he would put baby oil on his body.

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Ref falls down and knocked out, another ref ready to run in.
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Ref falls down and knocked out, another ref is ready an runs in.
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Here a Superkick!
There a Superkick!
Eveyrwhere a SUPERKICK!!

Most of my issues have already been listed, multiple times. Evil authority figure, starting your top weekly TV program with an interview instead of just getting to the matches. The cheapening of major titles by bringing people like Goldberg in for 3-4 match deals, one of which being him winning the title.

One that I haven't seen listed yet, or perhaps it was, just worded differently - guys overselling during those 3,4 and 5-way matches. Like, literally, I've seen Ambrose be down on the ground for 5min after simply being tossed over the top rope. So that Reigns and whoever else can work their spots on each other. Absolute worst part of those matches.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cynthia Celeste Miller from KS:
Another thing I hate is how the opening segment of any WWE show sets up the main event that night. It's so predictable.

And also when that match is set up, the person setting it up will never say, "You two will face each other in the main event." Instead, they say, "Tonight in the main event, it will be [Wrestler A] versus [Wrestler B]." It's always the exact same verbiage and it just sounds phony and lame.

And it's unnecessary exposition for the sake of unnecessary exposition. Made all the more ludicrous by the fact that they seemingly put a lot of thought and effort into planning out a way to make it seem like every show is slapped together on the fly. 98% of these "angles" could be cut and the announcers could just say "Due to what happened last week, [Wrestler A] and [Wrestler B] have been signed to meet tonight." Then cut to SEPARATE interviews in the back (away from the crowd that won't react the way you want them to) where they talk about the situation. They lose so much when they constantly have guys who supposedly hate each other standing in the ring together over and over again. You can't make a collision special unless you keep the objects colliding separated until it happens.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bee Dot:
The cheapening of major titles by bringing people like Goldberg in for 3-4 match deals, one of which being him winning the title.


I actually think putting the belt on Goldberg or Lesnar and not having them on TV un-cheapens them. I think having the champ on TV every week has rendered the title meaningless.
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quote:
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Originally posted by Bee Dot:
The cheapening of major titles by bringing people like Goldberg in for 3-4 match deals, one of which being him winning the title.


I actually think putting the belt on Goldberg or Lesnar and not having them on TV un-cheapens them. I think having the champ on TV every week has rendered the title meaningless.
I am actually ok with the champ being somewhat of a recluse. That's fine. I just hate seeing a guy like Owens drop the belt to a 3 match guy like Goldberg in order to put it on Lesnar.

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1. The lack of ring psychology
2. The fans- can we not retire the what chants
3. To many babyface and heel switches
4. Scripted promo
5. Lack of competition for the WWE
6. Too many in ring interviews
7. contracts signings in the ring- we all know what that is going to lead to.
8. The lack of crimson
9.The lack of cool gimmicky type heels i.e. Great kabuki, Abdullah, the shiek, and so on.
10. Three man announcing teams
11. Triple threats for World Titles, because I think it is okay for the cruiser weights or x division but not your Heavyweight title decided in this manner.
12. All the matches feel the same there is no creativity, because you pretty much know what each wrestler move set is going be.
13. Too many commercial breaks.

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