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Shaving Weezie Jefferson
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"What?"

"This is AWESOME (clap clap clap-clap-clap)!"

"You deserve it (clap clap clap-clap-clap)!"

"YES! YES! YES!" (for anyone but Brian Danielson)

Wrestlers thanking each other on social media.

Wrestling thanking each other in the ring.

Wrestlers giving speeches when they leave a promotion.

Promotions spending days of prep time in order to make it look like they threw the entire show together on-the-fly during a 20 minute clusterf*uck promo in the ring.

37 dives that all mean nothing because everyone does them.

"Kickpads"/shin guards (especially on guys who don't do kicks).

Platform shoes.

Tables, ladders, and chairs.

Entrance sets in high school gyms populated by 11 people.

No progression-of-the-narrative from the curtain jerker-to-the midcard-to-the main event (prelims not staying in the ring, off the mic, and saving the bombast for the main event).

No protected finishers.

Illogical progression of matches (piledriver on the concrete being no-sold, followed by 23 superkicks, and a schoolboy rollup for the win).

Focusing on the fans and their annoying chants.

Some idiot in the crowd holding an exact replica of the same belt the World champion is holding in the ring (way to make the top prize seem "special").

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Omnipresent authority figures....it was cool and it meant something when say Jim Crockett would show up every few weeks, if that.

I mean, Mr McMahon in 1998-99 was good because it worked against the rebel Stone Cold character

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Roll ups.

Scripted Promos.

Fan boy crowd chants.

Match ratings.

10 false finishes.

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Shaving Weezie Jefferson
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Announcers who aren't allowed to keep their credibility and dignity.

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guys over 300 pounds going cruiserweight spots. Strike wars. The over use of the german suplex.

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Shaving Weezie Jefferson
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Opening match guys with music and gimmicks.

"Well, I need that to get over."

You know what David O. Russell would do to an extra on a film set who tried to "get over" at the expense of his star? HE WOULD KILL THEM.

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Lack

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The camera cutting to a different angle every 5-10 seconds.

Run in's with music.

Secret Backstage conversations where no one acknowledges the camera in their face.

Stephanie McMahon belittling everyone.

Part time guys who show up once or twice a year to get a nice payday and prime spot at Wrestlemania.

Repetitive promos (Enzo & Cass)

30 minute promos to open every show.

Champions who rarely show up and can't be bothered even for TV. Be a special attraction or whatever but shouldn't be champ.

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Shaving Weezie Jefferson
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quote:
Originally posted by Sed76:

Part time guys who show up once or twice a year to get a nice payday and prime spot at Wrestlemania.


This one I don't mind. In fact, I like this one a lot. And I like Brock not being on TV every week. The champ shouldn't always be around.
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Everyone has entrance music

very few of them seem larger than life

wrestlers look a lot rangier and a lot more emphasis on athleticism as opposed to looking like a bad ass (see Greg Valentine, Larry Hennig, Ivan Koloff, Bill Eadie)

Wrestling looks more like acrobatics with less holds and psychology

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Wrestling programs that are broken off into segments like a variety show, instead of being broken up by advertisements when the action stops/ends, like a sporting event.

A scripted promo by a guy/gal who comes off as genuinely engaging/charismatic/funny in Network programming or social media, but stumbles and stutters over scripted dialogue.

The myth that the WWF writers room is populated by "Hollywood writers." Even the worst dreck on the edges of your extended cable package is 100x better written than WWE TV programs.

Wrestlers acting shocked when their opponent kicks out of move that has NEVER resulted in a pinfall.

Lazy whips in to the ropes/corner.

The flying-through-the-middle-ropes push. I don't care how loud you yell "TOPA SUICIDA!," the move seems stupid to me.

The lack of heels and faces. Why was Roman face against Rusev? Why was Randy face agaisnt Bray?

Most of all - the refusal to treat pro wrestling like a genuine sporting event. I miss checking the competitors for foreign objects before the match, discussion about the "winner's purse" during a match, strategic discussions about cardio and why a wrestler was bigger/smaller than the last time you saw him, etc...

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Questioning/whining to the referee, playing emo frustration, commentators going 'how did he/she/it kick out of that' after every two count. This is epidemic in the indys *AND* WWE.

So long from the Sunshine State!

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Michael Cole.
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Shaving Weezie Jefferson
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quote:
Originally posted by Curt Injurker:

The flying-through-the-middle-ropes push. I don't care how loud you yell "TOPA SUICIDA!," the move seems stupid to me.


The only guy who is doing a meaningful dive at the moment is Austin Aries. He goes over the BOTTOM rope and it actually looks like he's killing the guy he hits.
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That goofy spot where the wrestler walks away from the female interviewer and she stares off in their direction like MLK just came back from the dead and said something profound.
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Wobbly backstage camera guy (and any wrestler who ignores it or treats it like it's not there and no one knows what's going on).

Wrestlers who wear gloves.

Sledgehammers.

Any jabroni gets a house mic.

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Announcers talking about anything except what is going on in the ring.


Gloves.

Jeans and t-shirts as uniform.

Any form of dive out of the ring that requires catching setup and skill by the receiver, and that leaves both wrestlers groaning on the floor.

Divas in any form.

Women wrestling in a major organization where it's Divas doing a poor imitation of backyard wrestling and a Botchamania moment every five seconds.

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Shaving Weezie Jefferson
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I don't like street clothes either, but...gloves?

Those are kinda cool. Mulligan? Lanza? Vader?

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I hate it when wrestlers show up for interviews in wrestling gear for no apparent reason.

I also hate how the matches are SO choreographed now, like you can see the concentration on wrestlers faces as they remember what spot comes next.

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I hate that matches have to end with finishers. Why can't a guy win with a suplex or power slam sometime? Then when the finisher is applied it is more special.

Obviously in big main event matches you want to see the finisher win, but if AJ Styles is fighting Heath Slater then why can't he win with a move like a back breaker or sling shot?

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quote:
Originally posted by Palmettopig:
I hate that matches have to end with finishers. Why can't a guy win with a suplex or power slam sometime? Then when the finisher is applied it is more special.

Obviously in big main event matches you want to see the finisher win, but if AJ Styles is fighting Heath Slater then why can't he win with a move like a back breaker or sling shot?

I remember when the Suplex or the Powerslam WERE finishers!

But I agree, a guy on the AJ Styles tier SHOULD be able/allowed to beat a guy on the Heath Slater tier with something other than his "signature maneuver".

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Knowing George Gulas wont be running in to save Jimmy Golden any time soon

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quote:
Originally posted by Palmettopig:
I hate that matches have to end with finishers. Why can't a guy win with a suplex or power slam sometime? Then when the finisher is applied it is more special.

Obviously in big main event matches you want to see the finisher win, but if AJ Styles is fighting Heath Slater then why can't he win with a move like a back breaker or sling shot?

It used to be the exact opposite in the territory days. Everyone would beat the prelim guys on TV with their finisher, but then at the arena, the main eventers would usually find a way to counter the killer move (which pushed the whole "parity at the top level" thing). Then the match would end with some unexpected move (which pushed that the top guys knew how to "make adjustments").
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I liked what All Japan did in the early '90s. They gave their pushed guys three finishers (a couple of sure fire pinning moves and a submission hold).
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Also: the incessant use of chops to the chest

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Wrestlers not kicking out anymore. Instead, the pinning wrestler obviously lets them go.

Announcers telling the result a split-second after the ref called for the bell, even when the decision is not obvious. (Example: German suplex, both wrestlers' shoulders on the mat, ONE - TWO - THREE - referee calls for the bell. Announcer, without having any conversation with the referee: "For the first time XYZ Wrestling's history, we have a double pin. This match is a draw!") I know it's pre-determined, but you don't have to rub it into my face that way!

Also the babyface, after losing in the main event by unfair tactics, immediately grabbing the microphone and announcing a rematch with a special stipulation, on this exact date, at this exact place...

All wrestlers, except the one in the ring, gathering at ringside during a multi person match. Everyone knows what's next.

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quote:
Originally posted by Happ Hazzard:

I also hate how the matches are SO choreographed now, like you can see the concentration on wrestlers faces as they remember what spot comes next.

This ties into one of mine: High Definition.
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quote:
Originally posted by Shaving Weezie Jefferson:
I liked what All Japan did in the early '90s. They gave their pushed guys three finishers (a couple of sure fire pinning moves and a submission hold).

I watched a good chunk of '93 recently and it seemed like half of the major pins came after two consecutive power bombs.
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quote:
Originally posted by ponyplayer19:
quote:
Originally posted by Happ Hazzard:

I also hate how the matches are SO choreographed now, like you can see the concentration on wrestlers faces as they remember what spot comes next.

This ties into one of mine: High Definition.
Wouldn't be as bad if they'd rely more on hard camera shots and less on the handheld junk.
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Oh wait. The BIGGEST one---THE BACK PIN. Are they SERIOUS? This sucks worse than anything else.

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The camera work in WWE has bothered me for some time. Not that I prefer fixed camera per se but jerking the camera to accentuate a move etc. I don't like at all. It really takes away from the craft in my opinion.
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"Divas" with hair the color of a carnival troll doll and the BS mega eye lashes every single diva is required to wear.

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26 minutes of wrestling in a 3 hour episodic soap opera.
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quote:
Originally posted by Shaving Weezie Jefferson:
quote:
Originally posted by Palmettopig:
I hate that matches have to end with finishers. Why can't a guy win with a suplex or power slam sometime? Then when the finisher is applied it is more special.

Obviously in big main event matches you want to see the finisher win, but if AJ Styles is fighting Heath Slater then why can't he win with a move like a back breaker or sling shot?

It used to be the exact opposite in the territory days. Everyone would beat the prelim guys on TV with their finisher, but then at the arena, the main eventers would usually find a way to counter the killer move (which pushed the whole "parity at the top level" thing). Then the match would end with some unexpected move (which pushed that the top guys knew how to "make adjustments").
That's true. I just wish matches werent all under the same formula. If you can win with a suplex or DDT sometimes and not your finisher then matches seem less predictable as to when a guy will win

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quote:
Originally posted by Jay P. Punk:
The camera work in WWE has bothered me for some time. Not that I prefer fixed camera per se but jerking the camera to accentuate a move etc. I don't like at all. It really takes away from the craft in my opinion.

I hate that as well. Especially the way WWE does it. It's very distracting. I was very stunned, however, when looking back at this old episode of "World Wide Wrestling," that JCP did it too (as far back as 1979). But it wasn't as annoying. Go to 37:00 in and watch Flair as he starts dropping knees on Nick De Carlo's leg.



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quote:
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Part time guys who show up once or twice a year to get a nice payday and prime spot at Wrestlemania.


Ya Taker doing it every year got old fast...I agree
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I went to Raw last year, my first WWE non-PPV event in a decade, and the *superstars* would come out to the ring for a match, and then...commercial break. And the guys/girls would just stand there in the ring with the lights out until the show came back on. It completely killed the energy. You have two people come out and they get their pops and heat and the crowd's ready to see them go, and then we just watch them hang out in the ring until the commercials are done.

Really gave the whole night a "Raw was filmed in front of a live studio audience" feeling.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sed76:


Part time guys who show up once or twice a year to get a nice payday and prime spot at Wrestlemania.

Champions who rarely show up and can't be bothered even for TV. Be a special attraction or whatever but shouldn't be champ.

Isn't this the more "traditional" way of doing it, though?
In 1987 Andre wrestled on TV like 3 times, including 2 PPVs and an SNME battle royal.
Same year, Hogan was champ and wrestled on TV less than 5 times if I'm not mistaken, including same 2 PPVs and SNME battle royal.

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When a guy does a cobra clutch and instead of grabbing the wrist the two wrestlers grasp f*cking hands.

European shows with the fans singing stupid ass songs.

Sh*t promos.What promo is anyone gonna go back and watch from this era?ZERO.I can't even remember the last memorable, legendary type promo on tv to build to a specific match.

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quote:
Originally posted by Robot Monster:
quote:
Originally posted by Sed76:


Part time guys who show up once or twice a year to get a nice payday and prime spot at Wrestlemania.

Champions who rarely show up and can't be bothered even for TV. Be a special attraction or whatever but shouldn't be champ.

Isn't this the more "traditional" way of doing it, though?
In 1987 Andre wrestled on TV like 3 times, including 2 PPVs and an SNME battle royal.
Same year, Hogan was champ and wrestled on TV less than 5 times if I'm not mistaken, including same 2 PPVs and SNME battle royal.

Hogan might now have wrestled on TV every week but he was still a big part of the show. Brock has barely been mentioned since he won the belt nearly 2 months ago.
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