quote:Originally posted by Shaving Wheezie Jefferson:
I think people over-sell the whole "Vince took things in the right direction" nonsense. He drove away way more fans than he created and just because what he turned the biz into worked for him, doesn't mean that a hard turn in the opposite direction wouldn't have worked for someone else.
Given the way other forms of barnstorming entertainment lost market share with the advent of tv and, then, cable, I just don't think it's fair to characterize what he did as "driving away fans." Maybe I had Adam Smith economic principles drilled in to me too much in school, but I have to believe the resulting product was what the shrinking (whether Vince acted or not) market would bear, and he actually maintained a greater amount of a dwindling audience than other forms of entertainment that parallel wrestling (circus, carnival, horse racing, etc).
That just sounds like you're holding a glass half full instead of having empty. Fact is, there were a ton of fans who loved "the NWA" but wouldn't watch the WWF if you stuck a gun to their heads. And a ton of those folk remained loyal to WCW through the Monday Night Wars (despite how many "town-killing stunts" Bischoff, Russo, and company pulled). Vince's takeover was the final "town killer" for a lot of people.
They didn't just all die. They weren't raptured. They gave up and went away. Or gravitated to UFC. But they were as hardcore (probably more hardcore) than the WWF ice cream bar audience and Vince took them out of the mix in short order.
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quote:Originally posted by the bear: Is it possible to stain a business who's fans consider booking bad angles and refusing to lose a pretend fight to be worse than f-----g a kid???
You are forgetting the "But he put on such great matches..." disclaimer fans have during these arguments Whoever is considered the top wrestler in Japan at any given time could be f-----g a kid right on camera in the ring and they would be forgiven easier and more quickly by the smarks than if the Warlord had put on a bad match against Virgil in 1991.