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Richard Berger 1A
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This is apparently becoming an issue in some quarters. So, which do you prefer when designating the current year?

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/hendrikhertzberg/2013/01/twenty-something.html

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El Dirko
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Ten Sixty-Six, Twenty Thirteen.

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I say Two Thousand and Thirteen.

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Both. But since that wasn't an option, I clicked Twenty Thirteen.

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Two thousand thirteen. It's not even up for debate. Saying "twenty thirteen" is actually conceptually incorrect. You don't say "I have twenty thirteen dollars." You either say "I have two thousand and thirteen dollars" or "twenty hundred thirteen", same applies here.
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People never said "One thousand nine hundred and thirty nine" though when asked when WW2 started.

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quote:
Originally posted by Slasher:
Two thousand thirteen. It's not even up for debate. Saying "twenty thirteen" is actually conceptually incorrect. You don't say "I have twenty thirteen dollars." You either say "I have two thousand and thirteen dollars" or "twenty hundred thirteen", same applies here.

Your reasoning is understandable, Slasher. However, I've placed myself squarely on the other side, for much the same reason as noted in the linked article.

I believe that using terminology for monetary denominations doesn't apply in this case. If you consider the last century alone, it was nineteen hundred through nineteen ninety nine. At no time was society-at-large saying one thousand nine hundred through one thousand nine hundred ninety nine.

The variation only became necessary in the year two thousand, again for the same reason stated in the column. Saying twenty hundred is awkward, which is the way it remained through two thousand nine (as opposed to saying twenty and nine). However, with the arrival of 2010 (twenty ten), it all flowed seamlessly once again and was no longer unwieldy.

Therefore, I came to the conclusion in 2010 to once again use the system that had been in place for hundreds upon hundreds of years, which to me is far preferable. The 10-year deviation was no more than a modification that was necessary for a decade. IMO, it no longer applies.

I'm ready to go to the mat on this. [Smile]

[ 10-04-2013, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: Richard Berger 1A ]

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Not necessary to go to the mat on this. Happ and you make a good point. I never said "one thousand nine hundred ninety nine" for 1999, so obviously this is where the quirk of the language takes hold. I still do say "two thousand thirteen", but if I live to the year 2100's, that will change... probably.
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quote:
Originally posted by Happ Hazzard:
People never said "One thousand nine hundred and thirty nine" though when asked when WW2 started.

Some apparently said "back in nineteen-hundred and thirty-nine".

Mostly, old farts in rocking chairs. And some folks on this here internet doo-hickey, son.

It sounds really quaint when it's a year like "nineteen-hundred, ought-four, back when Hackenschmidt went to the Olympics".

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quote:
Originally posted by Blind Guy:
Some apparently said "back in nineteen-hundred and thirty-nine".

I'd venture things like that can be categorized as a variation on the theme. Colloquial, really.
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Mostly, old farts in rocking chairs. And some folks on this here internet doo-hickey, son.

Hey, hey. No need to get personal here. [Wink]
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It sounds really quaint when it's a year like "nineteen-hundred, ought-four, back when Hackenschmidt went to the Olympics".

Actually, it's nineteen hundred aught four. 'Aught' is a legitimate word meaning 'zero'.

[ 10-05-2013, 03:16 AM: Message edited by: Richard Berger 1A ]

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'Four score and seven years ago'
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'Twenty thirteen'. Same as, you know, every other century, unless you actually do run around saying 'one thousand nine hundred... ' I know of nobody who does.

(Another archaic locution you see in old books and such is for example 'nineteen and thirty-nine'.)

So long from the Sunshine State!

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BTW, I think we'll use the results as of 12 a.m. PDT Sunday/Monday as final. After that time, anyone using the term improperly as voted by the WCMB membership will have to answer to the powers-that-be for committing gross insubordination.

It's highly recommended to get your vote in prior to closing.

[ 10-05-2013, 03:35 PM: Message edited by: Richard Berger 1A ]

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And now by request, here's Zager & Evans with "In The Year Two Thousand Five Hundred Twenty-five"

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It's a waltz.

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Regardless of how the vote goes (and it is clearly not going my way), I will continue to say "two-thousand thirteen." That is definitely preferable to me....

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Geez my vocabulary is goind downhill. AUGHT!

Used to know that. Musta been thinking of "nought". How do the Mayans handle this, by the by? Or do I mean "by the bye"?

Other than ending the whole freaking world, that is.

Oh, and the "old farts in rocking chairs" was not directed at anyone, esp. the OP. You tipped your age recently and it was FAR less than I'd guess. FAR FAR less.

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Who knows. I say both.

I still have a problem understanding how much cars cost because how marketing works these days. If a car cost $25,250 - the commercial would say the car costs "twenty five, two fifty". Must be too much when someone says "thousand" or something. [Roll Eyes]

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I say both.

Two-thousand blah blah has less syllables than Nine-teen-hundred blah blah and thus is easier to say.

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quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
It's a waltz.

(musician humor, like why you gotta know 'Strangers in the Night' in 5/4 for Italian weddings))

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quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
'Twenty thirteen'. Same as, you know, every other century, unless you actually do run around saying 'one thousand nine hundred... ' I know of nobody who does.

(Another archaic locution you see in old books and such is for example 'nineteen and thirty-nine'.)

So long from the Sunshine State!

I was taught to never say AND when referring to a number.
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quote:
Originally posted by Moondog from WA:
I was taught to never say AND when referring to a number.

Same here.

Less than two hours to closing.

[ 10-06-2013, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: Richard Berger 1A ]

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As of 12 midnight, the official results are:

Two Thousand Thirteen ... 29% (10)

Twenty Thirteen ................ 71% (24)


Since the question has now been resolved by a large majority of bipartisan fair-minded wrestling fans, everyone must now put down their weapons, join together and shout out the year in one loud, unified voice: 2013!

Thanks for participating, guys.

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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Berger 1A:
As of 12 midnight, the official results are:

Two Thousand Thirteen ... 29% (10)

Twenty Thirteen ................ 71% (24)


Since the question has now been resolved by a large majority of bipartisan fair-minded wrestling fans, everyone must now put down their weapons, join together and shout out the year in one loud, unified voice: 2013!

Thanks for participating, guys.

So, are the winners allowed to gloat now?

Best wishes,
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quote:
Originally posted by El Dirko:
So, are the winners allowed to gloat now?

At their own risk. The OP assumes no responsibility for any negative repercussions caused by an unfortunate gloat.

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I say twenty-thirteen. I also say twenty-o'six for 2006 and so on.
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Two Thousand Thirteen.No And.
Or One Thousand And One Thousand And The Number Before Fourteen,that just rolls off the tongue.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blind Guy:
Geez my vocabulary is goind downhill. AUGHT!

Used to know that. Musta been thinking of "nought". How do the Mayans handle this, by the by? Or do I mean "by the bye"?

Other than ending the whole freaking world, that is.

Oh, and the "old farts in rocking chairs" was not directed at anyone, esp. the OP. You tipped your age recently and it was FAR less than I'd guess. FAR FAR less.

Here's some fascinating English stuff!! While "aught" is acceptable to use in numbering, such as nineteen aught two...or in rifle calibers such as thirty aught six (.30-06), "aught" actually means "everything". "Naught" is actually the proper term for "nothing". Such as when Jethro decided he was going to become a "double naught spy" just like 007 James Bond. Jethro was a panic.
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