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DuckSoup
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Jack the Ripper is eerily fascinating to me. There's nothing short of Scotland Yard keeping a deep secret that will solve the mystery.

Many of the theories are interesting and make some sense. Which is kind of a problem and really leads back to square one.

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saw a documentary a couple of years ago (history channel)... they made a very good case for it being a guy named, James Kelly...
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back to your topic, though... here in st. pete there was a body found in a (steamer type) trunk back in the 60's... never been id'd, nor a killer brought to justice
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Forum.casebook.org is devoted to Jack the Ripper.Great in-depth site.

Black Dahlia case is still unsolved.

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Forum.casebook is a great site. If I had to name a top suspect it would be Aaron Kosminski. I also think it's very probable it was done by someone never mentioned.
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Sometimes I can be a Wikipedia-holic, and one page I find interesting is this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_disappeared_mysteriously

Just a list of people who disappeared mysteriously, good reading.

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Taman Shud

Perplexing.

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The Kennedy assassinations - both of them.

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Originally posted by Tabe:
The Kennedy assassinations - both of them.

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Marilyn Sheppard [ Dr Sam's wife ]murder

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I have hundreds of these collected. I'll share some:

The Sodder Children

http://www.register-herald.com/local/local_story_358182913.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb4sx_tchUo


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A large family goes to bed Xmas night, the mother hears a strange thump on the roof. A passing driver reports balls of flames being tossed on the roof. The parents and 4 children rush outside. There are several children left insie. The father's ladder is gone and later found laying by a ravine, the phone line is cut. The fire department takes 6 hours to respond. 5 children never come out.

The parents find evidence that their children were kidnapped. The local officals and FBI refuse to help....

In 1968, over 20 years adter the tragedy, the Sodders received an envelope addressed to Mrs. Sodder with no return address. Inside she found only a photograph of a young man, 24-28 years old, On the back of the photograph were these words: "Louis Sodder" Mrs. Sodder was convinced that the photograph was of her son Louis Sodder, who was supposed to have died in the fire at the age of nine.


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On February 2nd, 1959, during the cold winter on Kholat Syakhl ("Mountain of the Dead") in Russia, nine intrepid to tackle the mountain. On February 26th, the first of their very dead bodies turned up.

But it was the discovery of the campgrounds that added the mystery. The ski hikers' tent was shredded. The skiers were scattered around the grounds wearing either very sparse clothing or just their underwear. Three of them were found with crushed ribs and fractured skulls, but no visible defense marks or other signs of a struggle....and one of the bodies was missing a tongue.

Soviet investigators determined only that "a compelling unknown force" had caused the deaths

After the funerals, relatives of the deceased claimed that the skin of the victims had a strange orange tan and were completely grey haired.

A former investigating officer said, in a private interview, that his dosimeter had shown a high radiation level on Kholat Syakhl, and that this was the reason for the radiation found on the bodies. However, the source of the contamination was not found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_pass_accident

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According to official Catholic accounts of the Guadalupan apparitions, during a walk from his home village to Mexico City early on the morning of December 9, 1531, Juan Diego saw a vision of a young girl of fifteen to sixteen, surrounded by light. This event occurred on the slopes of the Hill of Tepeyac. Speaking in the local language of Nahuatl, the Lady asked for a church to be built at that site in her honor. From her words, Juan Diego recognised her as the Virgin Mary. When he told his story to the Spanish bishop, Fray Juan de Zumárraga, the bishop asked him to return and ask the lady for a miraculous sign to prove her claim. The Virgin then asked Juan Diego to gather some flowers from the top of Tepeyac Hill, even though it was winter when no flowers bloomed. He found there Castilian roses (which were of the Bishop's native home, but not indigenous to Tepeyac). He gathered them, and the Virgin herself re-arranged them in his tilma, or peasant cloak. When Juan Diego presented the roses to Zumárraga, the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe miraculously appeared imprinted on the cloth of Diego's tilma
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On June 7-9 of 1986 a small group of unknown people finished months worth of work as they busted into a L.A. bank from a tunnel they had dug out from underneath the sewers. The men had used fake IDs to purchase ATVs, drills etc and got away with 2.5 million dollars. They were robbing their 2nd bank with one more tunnel set to go into banks but were caught in mid robbery of the 2nd bank and escaped. The statue of limitations has expired on the crime, and no suspects were ever ID'd much less caught.

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For the first job, they planned it on Memorial Day weekend so they would have one more day to break into more safe deposit boxes. But they had trouble drilling up with the core bit so they had to cut their way through all that concrete by hand when they were right under the vault. That took an extra week. Amazing! Can you imagine just sitting there for hours and hours sawing away in some man-made tunnel?
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Here are the dimensions and some specifics of the two tunnels they used:

* First tunnel: trapezoid 20 x 25 foot hole in bottom of vault, then a hollow chamber 4 feet across and 5.5 feet high immediately below vault, then a narrow passageway 3 feet high and wide leading to a chamber slightly larger than the first, then another 3 foot hole slanted sharply downward for 7 to 8 feet, ending in another large chamber with a 12 foot ceiling. That's where they tapped into the underground power line to run the power tools, the top of that large chamber. Next was another narrow passageway sloping gently downhill until it levels out and becomes much higher. Every 20 feet or so, shelved niches were formed into the walls to place lanterns until the power source could be tapped. It ended at a hole cut into the side of a concrete pipe, 4.5 feet in diameter, a pipe that was part of the network of storm sewers. The tunnel was 100 feet long

* Second tunnel: shorter than the first, 70 feet. Larger and more sophisticated, 4 feet wide in most areas and at least 5.5 feet high throughout. This one had 2x4s used for shoring in some areas, and electric lights strung along the ceiling, powered by gas generator. They found superior ways to secure the boring machine and core bit steady to cut a perfectly round 18 inch hole. A major difference was at the beginning of the tunnel. The opening to the storm sewer was only 18 inches, drilled through 10 inch thick reinforced concrete. That forced improvisation, namely wheelbarrows that had to be cut into sections and then bolted back together with metal straps.

The estimate in the first tunnel was it took approximately 1500 wheelbarrow trips. A 2 foot mud flow was found downstream from the tunnel.

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As for the third tunnel that they had completed but never got the chance to break into, what happened was...when the cops found it, see they were digging under a real busy street in Los Angeles. So they had to have engineers check out and see if it was possible for somebody driving to fall through the asphalt and into the tunnel. So there was a huge traffic jam and people going in and out of the sewers. Then the news got a hold of it and they couldn't keep it a secret. Another thing mentioned is that they had no place to hide a stakeout team in the sewers even if they kept it a secret.

I know what you mean when you talk about how frustrated they were after all that work. The first one was a success but they were really amateurs when it came to robbing banks. They didn't bring proper tools to bust into the safety deposit boxes and couldn't get them all. That's something the FBI noticed right away. Amazing tunnelers but amateur robbers. For the second and third tunnels though, they brought much better box-busting tools with them. If only they had purposely set off the alarms a week before. They would've cleaned out both banks. I wish they would've hahaha. In the second robbery, they did get $98,000 though. They had to haul ass outta there obviously.

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What foiled this crew was lack of knowledge regarding different practices than standard by Bank of America, specifically not using the time lock on the vault door. At the end of each business day the manager typically sets the time lock to make the vault inaccessible until the morning of the next business day. Once the time lock was set the vault couldn't be opened even in a dire emergency, other than by drilling out the vault door.

That aspect acted as a comfort zone to robbers tunneling from below. Even if they tripped alarms or caused other noises they knew the vault likely would not be suspected as a source since it was time locked shut. Also no one could disturb them inside the vault, as long as they were in there during off hours, i.e. a weekend.

The first bank caper was at First Interstate Bank in Hollywood. They followed the typical practice regarding time locking the vault. That's why the bank manager could only listen to the suspicious noises and hold the phone to the vault door for the person at central security to hear. But the tunnel gang was pathetically unaware that their second target, a Bank of America at the corner of Pico and La Cienega, did not follow the same procedure. Bank of America was skeptical of the time lock approach so they stayed away from it in favor of a double combination approach with two employees knowing separate sections of a vault combination. That allowed after-hours access in case of emergency.

So when the sewer rats were in that Bank of America vault in August 1987 they probably weren't overly concerned until they heard the tumblers moving and realized the vault was about to spring open. At that point they had to scram, and left behind many items including plenty of cash on the counters of the vault.

The other completed tunnel -- never used -- was beneath a savings and loan in Beverly Hills. That savings and loan was open on Saturday. So the plan no doubt was to clean out the Bank of America on Friday night and throughout Saturday, and then hit the savings and loan on Saturday night and into Sunday. On Monday morning both capers would have been discovered virtually simultaneously and the robbers become world famous, the biggest bank robberies in history with a take of $10 to $25 million.

http://books.google.com/books?id=OzTKhqhGCroC&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=Hole+in+the+Ground+Gang&source=bl&ots=BR74KdCBSO&sig=0_in0iSGU3VIVRVC-pzxd8bF2wM&hl=en&ei=42unSYumE4zRnQfLmJXnDw &sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result
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Tommy Burkett: Murder or Suicide?

Tommy Burkett had been recieving threats at school then one day....

Tommy's parents came home from a function and found Tommy's lifeless body He had a bloodied right ear , and scratches on his chest and neck visible above the disheveled collar of his favorite sweater. His body was surrounded by towels and such, stuffed around him to prop him up.

It became obvious to the Burketts that Tommy's body had been positioned for them to see as soon as they entered his room. After further examination, Thomas Burkett also noticed that his son's lower jaw was resting on his chest, and appeared to be broken.

Tommy's hands were almost folded on his lap, and on top of his hands rested a .357 magnum revolver. Beth George remembered looking down at the gun and being able to read the numbers on the end of the cartridges. She realized that the cylinder of the revolver was not fully latched, thus making it impossible to fire.


The police almost instantly told his parents it was a suicide, and the FBI refused to consider the murder option. His parents had to have a 2nd autopsy done after they felt the state's version was a hack job.

A forged note was found that said, "please cremate me."
Neighbors saw strange men in Tommy's car outside his home
Tommy's clothes vanished from police custody and never were returned to his parents.
Police made no effort to determine who's blood (not Tommy's) was on the wallsof other rooms of Tommy Burkett's home.
Tommy had been doing undercover work for the Drug Enforcement Agency.
The FBI told Tommy's parents and they have a 1800 page secret report that noone can see.


Interestingly, the bullet thought to have caused his wound was not only embedded in the wallboard in FRONT of Tommy's body, out of position for the proposed scenario, but was left in place by the police and FBI. No ballistics tests were ever performed on this bullet. Additionally, there was no gunpowder residue in Tommy's mouth, the supposed entry location for the lethal bullet.

One neighbor volunteered as to how she had called 911 that afternoon, after hearing gunshots, and reported their origin as the Burkett address. Subsequent searches of the 911 tapes revealed not only the neighbor's call, but that Tommy Burkett himself had called 911 TWICE that afternoon from his home. NO emergency vehicles OR police officers responded to any of those calls that day. The Burketts also discovered that none of the neighbors had been interviewed by the local police
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Was Pope John Paul 1 murdered?

While Albino Luciani (John Paul 1) proved to be an irritant to the Vatican higher powers in many ways, he made himself its absolute nemesis when he delved into the Vatican Bank's dealings, which dated back to the reign of his predecessor. The Vatican had 1.5 billion dollars unaccounted for that had been embezzled, and money wrapped up in Mafia matters among other things.

He would have to be silenced before he could reveal Papal misdeeds to the Public...

With his bright intelligence and naive fearlessness, John Paul I penetrated to the heart of this maze of corruption within weeks of his coronation. On the evening of September 28, 1978, he called Cardinal Villot, the leader of the powerful Curia, to his private study to discuss certain changes that the Pope proposed to make public the next day. [It has been reported that John Paul was also considering the release of the famous "Third Secret of Fatima," which was supposed to have been given to the public in 1960.] Among those whose "resignations" would be accepted by the Pontiff the following day were the head of the Vatican Bank, and several members of the Curia who were implicated in the activities of Sindona and P2, and Villot himself. Moreover, Villot was told that John Paul I would also announce plans for a meeting on October 24 with an American delegation to discuss a reconsideration of the Church's position on birth control.


When Pope John Paul I retired to his bedroom on the evening of September 28, clutching the paperwork that would expose the Vatican's financial dealings with the Mafia and purge the Curia of those responsible, a number of very ruthless individuals had a great interest in seeing to it that he would never awaken to issue these directives.

When the Pope's housekeeper knocked at his door at 4:30 a.m., she heard no response. Leaving a cup of coffee, she returned fifteen minutes later to find the Pope still not stirring. She entered the bed chamber and gasped when she saw the Pope propped up in bed, still holding papers from the night before, his face contorted in a grimace

Cardinal Villot confirmed the Holy Father's death. The Pope's glasses, slippers, and will disappeared, "none of these items has ever been seen again." Speculation is that there may have been vomit on the slippers, which if examined would identify poison as the cause of death.
Cardinal Villot (or an aide) telephoned the embalmers and a Vatican car was sent to fetch them. Incredibly, the car was at their door at 5:00 a.m.! What ensued in the following hour is still a mystery.
It was not until 6:00 a.m. that Dr. Buzzonati (not Professor Fontana, the head of the Vatican medical service), arrived and confirmed the death, without drawing up a death certificate. Dr. Buzzonati attributed the death to acute myocardial infarction (heart attack).
At about 6:30 a.m. Villot began to inform the cardinals, an hour and a half after the embalmers had arrived! Yallop notes that, for Cardinal Villot, the embalmers took precedence over the cardinals and the head of the Vatican medical service.
Villot arranged for the embalming to be performed that evening, a procedure as unusual as it was illegal. Why the rush? It is also reported that during the embalming it was insisted that no blood was to be drained from the body, and neither were any of the organs to be removed. Yallop notes that "a small quantity of blood would of course have been more than sufficient for a forensic scientist to establish the presence of any poisonous substances."

Although the Vatican claimed that its house physician had determined myocardial infarction as the cause of death, to this day no death certificate for Pope John Paul I has been made public


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(South Dakota) Three young friends found themselves in a terrible accident when their car jumped the highway and came to rest in a ditch. By the time help arrived, two of the victims, 20-year-old Arnold Archambeau and his girlfriend, 19-year-old Ruby Bruguier, had mysteriously wandered off. Their cousin remained trapped in the car and survived.

For three months there were no signs of the young couple. Then, on March 10, 1993, the body of Ruby Bruguier was found floating in the ditch, just 75 feet from the crash site. The next day, Arnold's body turned up a few yards away. However, the two bodies were in very different states of decomposition. Police are convinced that the bodies were not there at the time of the accident.

Arnold's was found in what was believed with different clothes on than the night of the accident. His clothes were not frozen to the ground whereas Ruby's was.

A friend of the young couple came forward stating that he had seen Arnold Archambeau during the three-month period between the car crash and the discovery of the bodies. The friend successfully passed a polygraph examination regarding his claim

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Speculation is that Ruby had been submerged in the ditch which froze and she didn't surface until it thawed but the police walked the entire lake and none of there weight broke the ice while looking for the couple, not mention there would have been evidence of them falling through the ice.. None was ever found.

Their bodies were found fairly close to the accident scene and no signs of foul play on them

speculation is they were drinking that night (and Arnold possibly faced with a DUI) no doubt they were afraid they would be in trouble and probably disoriented as well and wandered off in different directions and collapsed due to the cold.


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Derrick Engebretson.

Can you imagine a more horrible twist of fate than to emerge from being lost in the woods only to be abducted by a child killer?

Engebretson was looking for a Christmas tree in the Rocky Point area of Winema National Forest in Klamath County, Oregon on December 5, 1998. He wandered away from his father and grandfather during the day and apparently became lost. Engebretson has never been seen again.
Extensive air and ground searches yielded few clues as to Engebretson's whereabouts. A blizzard hit the area the evening he was reported missing and obliterated any tracks that might have been there; the weather also hampered search efforts.

For years, it was feared that the child had frozen to death in a snowstorm. But law enforcement officials now say they think Engebretson found his way to the roadside, where he was picked up by a man who would later become the state's most notorious pedophile, Frank J.Milligan, 36.
In July 2001, Milligan pleaded guilty to charges of attempted murder, kidnapping, sodomy and sexual abuse after he lured a 10-year-old boy at a Dallas park in 2000 into his black Honda Civic by offering the child $100 to mow his lawn.

Milligan raped and strangled the boy, slashed his throat and left him for dead. The child survived. At the time of the attack, Milligan was out on bail in a sexual assault case of an 11-year-old boy in Seaside.

Milligan surfaced as a person of interest in the Engebretson disappearance after a fellow inmate said claimed that Milligan had bragged about abducting and killing Derrick Engebretson, sources close to the case told The Oregonian.

When confronted, Milligan, who by then faced 36 years behind bars, confessed to killing murdering Engebretson and agreed to lead detectives to the place where he claimed to have buried the boy's body, law enforcement sources said.

But nothing was found, and Milligan later recanted the confession, according to police and Engebretson's family.

"He took them to the spot where he said he had buried the body, then he didn't do much to help them find it," said Lori Engebretson, Derrick's mother. "He said, 'Well, I guess I don't know where it's at. It was night, dark, and I was trying to hurry.'"

Based on evidence found at the scene, family members think believe Derrick was making a snow angel near the road and was abducted by someone who happened to be driving by. "We think it was a crime of opportunity," Lori Engebretson said.

One witness reported seeing a man struggle with a boy near the road but didn't stop because he assumed that the man and they boy were father and son, she said.

Milligan "has not been charged with any crime regarding this, so it would be premature for me to say anything," Pecyna of the state police said


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[QUOTE] On June 7-9 of 1986 a small group of unknown people finished months worth of work as they busted into a L.A. bank from a tunnel they had dug out from underneath the sewers. The men had used fake IDs to purchase ATVs, drills etc and got away with 2.5 million dollars. They were robbing their 2nd bank with one more tunnel set to go into banks but were caught in mid robbery of the 2nd bank and escaped. The statue of limitations has expired on the crime, and no suspects were ever ID'd much less caught.

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Terrance Yeakey was the first police officer to arrive at the Murrah Building following the Oklahoma City bombing. Terrance called his wife that morning and cried to her over the phone. He told her repeatedly “It’s not true. It’s not what they are saying. It didn’t happen that way.” Apparently, Officer Yeakey saw something he wasn’t supposed to. He was harassed for a full year after the bombing and expressed his belief to loved ones that he would be murdered because of what he knew. One evening, Yeakey called his then ex-wife to inform her that he was being followed by what he thought were federal agents and he was going to try and lose them. His patrol car was found abandoned along a dirt road near El Reno, the front seat soaked with blood. Officer Yeakey himself was found a mile and a half away on federal property, he had been severely beaten with gashes on both arms and his throat, rope burns on his wrists and neck, plus a gunshot through the back of his head leaving no powder burns. Local police searched the area for hours but were unable to find any murder weapons. When federal authorities arrived they briskly escorted the local police off the premises and claimed to find a .38 hand gun next to Terrance Yeakey’s body. The gun that was supposedly found has never been seen by anyone except the federal officers that “found” it. Terrance Yeakey’s death was ruled a suicide. Terrance Yeakey had collected a vast amount of hard data on the bombing of the Murrah building. That material was never found following his death.

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The deadliest storm in Oklahoma's history killed 132 people, injured 1,300 and caused millions of dollars worth of property damage as it tore through 150 miles of the Texas and Oklahoma panhandles and northwestern Oklahoma.
Most of the damage and most of the victims were in Woodward, where the April 9, 1947, storm also created mysteries, still unsolved, like Joan Gay Croft, 4, who disappeared.

Joan Gay Croft, whose mother was killed and whose father was critically injured when the storm destroyed their house.

The father, H.O. Croft, was taken by ambulance to an Oklahoma City hospital, where he eventually recovered. Joan Gay and her sister, Jerry, were taken to the Woodward hospital, where they were treated for minor injuries and bedded down for the night on a cot in the basement.

An aunt checked on the girls that night, but when she returned to check on them again, Joan Gay was gone.

The night after the storm, two men dressed in khaki Army uniforms came into the hospital and asked for Joan. As they started to carry her out, Joan cried, “I don’t want to leave my sister!” One of the men was overheard telling her not to worry. They promised to come right back for the older girl.

Joan’s protests drew the attention of the hospital staff, who challenged the men. One of them said they were friends of the family and were simply taking Joan to another hospital where her family was waiting. The men were allowed to leave with the child. Joan Gay Croft was never seen again.

When Croft was released from the Oklahoma City hospital, he searched for his daughter. Newspapers throughout the country carried stories about the abduction. He and Jerry eventually moved away


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Some interesting stuff in here.

There was a string of bank robberies in the Midwest about 5-10 years back, specifically Omaha and Kansas City where the perpetrators got away with well over a million dollars in total. They have never been caught.

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An extremely compelling and controversial case of alien abduction is that of Linda Napolitano, (originally aliased as Cortile) which was researched by the well-known and respected Budd Hopkins. Napolitano claimed that she was abducted by the so-called "greys," who floated her from a closed bedroom window into a hovering UFO. The craft was waiting for her above a Manhattan apartment building at about 3:00 A.M. November 30, 1989. Linda's experience, though intriguing, was hampered at first by memory loss. She could recall only bits and pieces of the abduction. She could remember vividly the actual kidnapping and the room where she was examined, but the transportation process itself was totally lost to her. Further details of the case would be forthcoming via the passage of time, other witness statements, and through regressive hypnosis.
Hopkins received mail correspondence from two witnesses, (known as Richard and Dan) who claimed to have actually seen the abduction.
Doubtful at first about these witnesses, their claims would ultimately be a building block of the case itself. Agreeing perfectly with Linda's account of the abduction, the two men were bodyguards of a senior United Nations statesman who was visiting Manhattan. This diplomat would eventually be identified as Javier Perez de Cuellar, who, according to his two bodyguards, was visibly shaken while viewing the surreal scene. These three men encountered an unbelievable sight...the plight of a woman being floated through the air, and not only that...but three entities were also being floated, accompanying her on a short trip to a massive hovering flying craft.

Linda's own words:

"I'm standing up on nothing. And they take me out all the way up, way above the building. Ooh, I hope I don't fall. The UFO opens up almost like a clam and then I'm inside," said 41 year old (at the time) Linda.

"I see benches similar to regular benches. And they're bringing me down a hallway. Doors open like sliding doors. Inside are all these lights and buttons and a big long table."

"I don't want to get up on that table. They get me on the table anyway. They start saying things to me and I'm yelling. I can still yell. One of them says something that sounds like {Nobbyegg}. I think they were trying to tell me to be quiet because he put his hand over my mouth."

The high-level of security clearance and professionalism required for the two bodyguards' positions would be no help in dealing with what they had seen. What they witnessed that night would become a curse to them, having a deep impact on their lives for years to come.

The actions of the two bodyguards, whom would later be revealed as CIA agents, presented a strange, enigma to Hopkins. On April 29, 1991 they kidnapped Linda, bundled her into their car in broad daylight and quizzed her for three hours. Dan became increasingly upset with Linda as she repeated stated that she had no idea why it (the abduction) had happened. Linda would be kidnapped a second time by the men who tried to pry information from her, thinking she had a part in the alien abduction herself, which brought them into the case involuntarily.

As was the usual, Hopkins kept the details of his case private until they reached a certain level of credibility. The additional eyewitnesses stated that they too, had seen the abduction that night from the Brooklyn Bridge. The witnesses (one of which was one Janet Kimbell?, or Kimble) thought they were watching the filming of a scene from an upcoming Sci-fi film. She was a retired telephone operator. Soon, Hopkins could not keep the lid on the Napolitano abduction any longer.


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My favorite mystery is our past.Who built the structure known as Puma Punka found in Bolivia?100 ton 25 foot high stone structures with perfect engineering and stone cuts we can't even match the precision of today.To think people actually think these structers were built by primitive man with hand tools is laughable.

Also,the Pyramids,cities built that now sit underground,The Mayan Temples,in my opinion none of these were built by man dating that far back.And there's a hell of a lot more examples than those that I won't get into.It was impossible for man at that time to be that deadly accurate with their engineering.I don't know if I believe the Alien Theories,but they're easier to believe than men thousands of years ago having the engineering capabilities to pull any of this off.

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Black Dahlia, for several reasons, but I think Dr. Hodel did it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pillsbury:
My favorite mystery is our past.Who built the structure known as Puma Punka found in Bolivia?100 ton 25 foot high stone structures with perfect engineering and stone cuts we can't even match the precision of today.To think people actually think these structers were built by primitive man with hand tools is laughable.

Also,the Pyramids,cities built that now sit underground,The Mayan Temples,in my opinion none of these were built by man dating that far back.And there's a hell of a lot more examples than those that I won't get into.It was impossible for man at that time to be that deadly accurate with their engineering.I don't know if I believe the Alien Theories,but they're easier to believe than men thousands of years ago having the engineering capabilities to pull any of this off.

I'm sorry, but the only reason why any of the ancient structures are mysterious is because later powers came along and destroyed the records pertaining to their construction. That's the sole reason they are mysterious.

For instance, the Egyptians were obsessive record keepers, they recorded the names and homes of everyone who worked on the Pyramids (they weren't slaves, they were skilled artisans, well fed and well paid) and how much they were paid, what exact work they did, etc. All of it in minute detail was written down. Then the Romans come along and burn it all, leaving us with only the writings of the Ancient Greeks who visited there before the Romans but a long time after the Pyramids were built to guide us. We only know there was a colossal library containing all the records and knowledge of Ancient Egypt because the Greeks wrote about it, the Romans torched it. So the Pyramids, The Sphinx, the cocaine mummies, none of it would be mysterious at all if it wasn't for the Romans.

The same applies to Central and South America, there are no written records left from pre-Colombian times thanks to the Spanish. About 30 years after the conquest, they had a bonfire built from all the codices and scrolls they could find, it burnt for a week and was said to contain 300,000 documents. That's where the knowledge of the pre-Colombian peoples went. The Spanish were hell-bent on destroying all heresy they found, so every piece of writing they found was destroyed, they even chipped off all the writings carved into stone walls, buildings etc. The only reason we know anything about the Maya is because the Spanish didn't find and destroy all of their cities, some were lost and became overrun by the jungle, so their stone carvings remained intact, it was only when these lost cities were rediscovered in the 20th century that we could begin to learn about the Maya and decipher their written language.

Then there's Angkor Wat in Cambodia, it's bigger than Manhattan and has incredibly well designed water supply and sewage systems, it's the largest complex of temples in the world, a quite incredible engineering feat. We only know what we do about it because of the writings of Chinese courtesans who visited it while it was still a thriving city.

So no, there is no other-worldly alien element involved at all, the mystery has arisen purely due to the destruction of later peoples.

As for the prefectly jointed stones, there is a lot of controversy about that, many people have theories as to how they did it. You have to remember there are a lot of ancient crafts we don't understand today, prime example being the English Longbow. There were tens of thousands of these things in use up until the late 1500s, but by the 1900s, not a single one survived and no-one had a clue how they were made or how to make one, we didn't even know for sure how long a typical longbow was or what draw weight, power and range they had. The mystery was only solved (to a degree) when they salvaged the Mary Rose in the early 80s and discovered a lot of longbows. Turns out they were longer and far higher in draw weight then we thought, and it was only by cutting one up could they discover how they were made, from what wood etc. When it comes to stonework, man has long been capable of amazing architecture in stone, and the tools are very simple - plumb line, set square, compass, hammer and chisel, with just those and precious little else, the great cathedrals of Europe were built, go to Notre Dame in Paris or Lincoln Cathedral in England and marvel at the stone work, then think 'how the hell did they do this with hammers, chisels and a couple of very simple geometric tools'? Well, they did, and they managed to lift huge blocks of stone hundreds of feet in the air using nothing more than simple cranes powered by men or oxen walking round the inside of a large wheel, then positioned them precisely using pulleys, levers and men pulling on ropes. If they could do this in the 1200s, and the Egyptians could do the same things with the same tools and methods 3000 years earlier, then are the pre-Colombian stone buildings really so remarkable?

So in short, these things are only mysterious due to the passage of time and the destruction of knowledge by later peoples.

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quote:
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Originally posted by Tabe:
The Kennedy assassinations - both of them.

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Just reading a little into the case it appears a man named Eberling was guilty of the murders.
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Terrance Yeakey was the first police officer to arrive at the Murrah Building following the Oklahoma City bombing. Terrance called his wife that morning and cried to her over the phone. He told her repeatedly “It’s not true. It’s not what they are saying. It didn’t happen that way.” Apparently, Officer Yeakey saw something he wasn’t supposed to. He was harassed for a full year after the bombing and expressed his belief to loved ones that he would be murdered because of what he knew. One evening, Yeakey called his then ex-wife to inform her that he was being followed by what he thought were federal agents and he was going to try and lose them. His patrol car was found abandoned along a dirt road near El Reno, the front seat soaked with blood. Officer Yeakey himself was found a mile and a half away on federal property, he had been severely beaten with gashes on both arms and his throat, rope burns on his wrists and neck, plus a gunshot through the back of his head leaving no powder burns. Local police searched the area for hours but were unable to find any murder weapons. When federal authorities arrived they briskly escorted the local police off the premises and claimed to find a .38 hand gun next to Terrance Yeakey’s body. The gun that was supposedly found has never been seen by anyone except the federal officers that “found” it. Terrance Yeakey’s death was ruled a suicide. Terrance Yeakey had collected a vast amount of hard data on the bombing of the Murrah building. That material was never found following his death.

There's an awful lot about the Oklahoma City bombing that just doesn't add up.

Another favorite unsolved mystery - Easter Island.

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Not a crime, but what happened to Alexander the Great's tomb?

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Always been fascinated with the Circleville, Ohio letter writer.

And of course, our past, as noted above. [Smile]

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quote:
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Not a crime, but what happened to Alexander the Great's tomb?

Uh... they buried Alexander the Great innit?

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(for 10 non-OT bonus points, how do you say 'Alexander the Great' in Arabic?)

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quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
(for 10 non-OT bonus points, how do you say 'Alexander the Great' in Arabic?)

LOL... Good one, Mask.
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Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
(for 10 non-OT bonus points, how do you say 'Alexander the Great' in Arabic?)

LOL... Good one, Mask.
I actually had to look that up. The things you learn on this board. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
(for 10 non-OT bonus points, how do you say 'Alexander the Great' in Arabic?)

G'day Crimson Mask,

I believe that "Alexander the Great" in Arabic is الاسكندر الاكبر, al-Iskandar al-Akbar.

I hope that Jim Wehba is smiling down on us.

Rather than 10 non-OT bonus points, I'll settle for a beer if I ever get the pleasure of meeting you in person. [Smile]

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The disappearance of ten-year old Beverly Potts in a Cleveland, Ohio suburb in August, 1951. She was last seen at a well-attended evening event at a park a few blocks from her house, but never returned home afterward. No body, clothing or other trace of her has ever been found in the over 61 years since.

I visited this area in 2005 and actually took the walk she would have made taken on that fateful evening. It gave me a strange feeling. It certainly made me wonder even more what happened to her and who may have been involved.

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Oklahoma City bombing is a bit mysterious, but I don't know enough about it.

JFK, well, I think Oswald did it and there is no mystery around Deeley Plaza, the mystery lies in who was behind it all, certainly I don't think Oswald acted without being prompted. Personally, I think the way Kennedy wanted to bring the Federal Reserve back into govt control and curb the rise of the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned about in his leaving office speech are good starting points for speculation.

9-11 and Al-Qaeda, I'd like to know more about that, and to what extent the CIA was involved, did they really stop working with Bin Laden in the 80s? Again, like JFK, a huge and sadly obfuscating cloud of conspiracy nonsense has sprung up and that makes finding fact from fiction ever harder.

One mystery that interests me is the fate of the Amber Room, it was removed by the Wehrmacht during WW2 and has never been seen again, it will have been buried somewhere or hidden in an abandoned mine, but so far, no-on has found it. Quite a lot of art treasures are still missing since ww2.

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quote:
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Taman Shud

Perplexing.

G'day Ta-Kargol,

You beat me to it, mate.

There was a fine psychedelic/progressive rock band in Sydney in the late 1960s called Tamam Shud (note Tamam not Taman).

The name of the band intrigued me and led me to read about the Taman Shud case.

As you said, the case is quite perplexing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grobbit:
Oklahoma City bombing is a bit mysterious, but I don't know enough about it.

JFK, well, I think Oswald did it and there is no mystery around Deeley Plaza, the mystery lies in who was behind it all, certainly I don't think Oswald acted without being prompted. Personally, I think the way Kennedy wanted to bring the Federal Reserve back into govt control and curb the rise of the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned about in his leaving office speech are good starting points for speculation

All it takes is one visit to Dealey Plaza to know that the official story doesn't add up.

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quote:
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One mystery that interests me is the fate of the Amber Room, it was removed by the Wehrmacht during WW2 and has never been seen again, it will have been buried somewhere or hidden in an abandoned mine, but so far, no-on has found it. Quite a lot of art treasures are still missing since ww2.

Good call on the Amber Room, very interesting story. I bet the pictures I've seen don't do it justice...
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the cleveland ripper from back in the 1930's

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