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Travlr
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Canada's federal election campaigns officially start today. Election Day is 21Oct2019. And all the Party leaders have been hinting very strongly that this is going to be nasty one.

First off, on the Far Right, we have Maxime Bernier's new People's Party of Canada (PPC). He's the most Trump-like of the Party Leaders.

Then there's Andrew Scheer of the Conservative Party of Canada (CPC), former PM Stephen Harper's more-or-less hand-picked successor. Think of him as a slightly more polite Dick Cheney, and you won't be far off the mark.

Next up is Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, whose Liberal Party of Canada (LPC, a.k.a the Liberals, the Grits and as former satirist columnist Allen Fotheringham once called them -- and it stuck -- the Natural Governing Party). Left-leaning Centrist who kept a lot of his promises, but not the big ones that probably got him elected (Electoral Reform, for example).

As much as most of the rest of Canada tries to ignore them, the Bloc Quebecois are still in the game, and current leader Yves-François Blanchet is looking to improve things from the small gains former leader Gilles Duceppe was able to scrape up in 2015 after their 2011 drubbing. But they also don't put up any candidates outside the Province of Quebec, so don't play into the governing side of things except to try and play king-maker as they did in 2006. Ideologically, other than their pro-Quebec stance, they are much closer to the New Democrats than the Liberals in their policies.

He's followed by Jagmeet Singh, leader of the New Democratic Party (NDP), who has been coming under fire from the Far Left and within his own caucus. The NDP is the more US Democratic Party equivalent, or maybe they're more like what the current Dems are making their way toward in their renewed Left-ish swing.

Finally, there's Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, one of 2 Green Party MPs in the House of Commons. While she obviously wants the top job, she is also aware that reality dictates that she just try to get another 3 or 4 candidates elected, further building the Party for future successes (something that the US Libertarian, Green and Constitution Parties should be paying attention to). The Greens are the most aligned with the European-style of Liberalism, and the Party that Bernie Sanders would probably be most comfortable with (even though the NDP prides itself on the "Social Democrat" position).


With the official dissolving of Parliament, and an election called by the Governor General, a lot of the political advertising that has been happening up here will disappear, as very strict rules about advertising now officially come into effect. As does campaign financing and spending. And the penalties are fairly harsh by most Western Democratic standards; no-one wants to cross that line if they can at all help it.

The next 50 days are going to be....interesting.

Current prognosis? Toss-Up between the Liberals and the Conservatives; either Party could form the next government, but the Minority/Majority question is very much on everyone's mind, since historically, Minority Governments seldom last past 18 months, and we get to do this all again like we did in 2004, 2006 and 2008.

But then again, at the beginning of the 2015 election, no-one thought Justin would win, let alone get a majority gov't out of it....

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I'm voting Social Credit personally...
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Don't think they exist Federally any more, do they?

Sure don't see them in BC anymore, that's for sure....

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quote:
Originally posted by Travlr:
Don't think they exist Federally any more, do they?

Sure don't see them in BC anymore, that's for sure....

I am out there and I have not heard of them at all.
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Sigh, the Internet doesn't allow for subtlety...

No, the Socreds are no more, but hell they may make a comeback, the Rhinoceros Party is back in existence for pete's sake.

Right now, looking at the candidates of the Main Parties in my riding (Hamilton Centre), none of them make we want to even leave the house to go vote.

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Hamilton? Did the SoCreds ever even run anyone that far East? [Razz]

For those South of 49, the Social Credit Party existed in Canada between 1935 and 1993 when it packed it in after a horrible series of implosions at the federal level. They ceased to have Members of Parliament after helping to bring down Joe Clark's minority gov't in 1980 (all 5 MPs were defeated handedly, being seen as the reason Canada went to the polls for the second time in 8 months).

The provincial parties continued to operate, although the Quebec branch shut down in 1978, Manitoba's hasn't run a candidate since 1981 although has yet to officially dissolve, and Saskatchewan's also hasn't dissolved but hasn't run a candidate since 1971 and essentially merged with the provincial Progressive Conservative Party the year before. Ontario's SoCreds you could write a screenplay about, with schisms, a Fascist takeover, anti-Semitism, a splinter-party forming and was dead by 1985.

That leaves BC and Alberta, where the Provincial Parties had their most success (and the Federal branch in Alberta, not surprisingly). Alberta's dissolved in 2017, after years in the political wilderness since their defeat as the provincial gov't in 1967 and their removal as The Opposition (#2 Party) in 1979 (I understand that die-hards still curse Peter Lougheed to this day for their decline). In the 2015 provincial elections, they placed 8th. At which point, the party changed its registered name with Elections Alberta to the Pro-Life Alberta Political Association in 2017 (after a particularly spectacular leadership election that is being debated still).

That leaves BC, where the SoCreds still offically exist and run candidates. They were the gov't in the province from 1952 to 1991, although were a very different flavour of the Party compared to Alberta's or Quebec's. The collapse of the Party after their 1991 loss (47 seats down to 7) and the 7 Members of Legislative Assembly (MLAs) crossing the aisle to join the BC Reform Party after the election essentially killed the Party, although it has languished on for the last 28 years, still running small handfuls of candidates, but unable to garner even 1000 votes across the province.


As a Federal Party, I can't see their return. Even the Rhino Party isn't what it was (the original dissolved in 1993), and the current version -- while adopting the original's promise to not to keep any of its promises if elected -- doesn't quite have the silliness quotient the original had (although I like the idea of counting the Thousand Islands to make sure the Americans didn’t steal any). But it's getting there (27 candidates in 2015), so who knows.

And besides, the SoCreds would find it hard to elbow their way into things what with Bernier's PPC nailing down the Far Right and Trudeau skimming off the Center Right that the Conservatives left behind them....

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A quick & dirty look at Canada' federal election via the BBC

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Vote for Doug Henning and his Party before I'd vote Liberal again, and YES, I know he's dead...
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Does Canada have a Monster Raving Loony Party? Asking for a friend. [Wink]
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Yeah, they're called the People's Party of Canada, they're always looking for new recruits to the Waffen SS.
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No, you're thinking more of UKIP for a PPC equivalent (and that's not far off, really).

But I'd kill to be at a joint convention of the Moster Raving Loony Party and the Rhinoceros Party. I probably wouldn't be able to remember any of it by the time it was done, but I know I would have had a wild time.....!

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