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Obviously, there is still a lifetime before the 2020 Presidential field begins to take shape. But I love looking at different predictions/odds sites.

I was looking at an aggregate of betting sites yesterday, and the Democratic odds absolutely stun me. On six of the seven betting sites listed by Oddschecker, Kamala Harris is listed as the favorite to win the Democratic nomination in 2020. On the seventh site, Harris is co-favorite with Elizabeth Warren.

I know that Warren, Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders are all ancient, but Harris is really shaping up as a frontrunner for 2020?

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2020/democrat-candidate

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Well why not? Warren has the whole Pocahontas thing hanging over her head, Bernie no matter how much sense he makes is a Jewish quasi-socialist, logically it's either her or Biden, given that field.

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Well, first of all, Bernie isn't a Democrat. This is something that everyone seems to have forgotten. Wasn't in 2016, isn't now, won't be then.

Warren's building a campaign chest of massive proportions. But she has a set of American Tourister nearly as heavy as Hillary's. And she's no friend of many of the biggest Democratic backers. And she's also on record as not being interested in any 2020 run.

Joe, if he decides to run, will get the nomination, almost certainly. Partially due to the fact that he was the Veep, but also partially because people like him. Mumble-mouthed and all, but he's so much more real than almost anyone in D.C. was during his years there. But he has to decide if he really wants to. But he may decide that 45 years in harness is enough.

Harris is the new kid on the block, but while she might be favoured slightly now, there are a few other possibles floating around out there that could attract a lot attention: Rep. Luis Gutiérrez, former L.A. mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Sen. Cory Booker, and a whole bunch of others.

Some expected names have gone ahead and said, "not me!" (Gillibrand,Joe Kennedy III, Tim Kaine, Oprah, Joe Scarborough, Cuomo) and this opens the field up a whole lot.

Hell, even The Rock has hinted around about it a bit. Of course, with Dwyane, whether or not he's pulling your leg (usually completely out of joint) is always a big question.....


Way way way too early, but I'm liking what I see out of Deval Patrick, and I've always liked Lincoln Chaffee (although he's blander than Wonder Bread), but my record at liking the the right candidate to get the nomination has been horrid.....

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Okay, I'm an outside looking in, but I'd say Biden would be the best. he represents the center. If a Dem is going to win, I'd at least like to see a Bill Clinton like Dem. heck, one could make an argument that Clinton was more conservative than Bush. There's a possibility that if Biden wins the nomination, he may have come out badly beaten up in the primary that he loses the general election. Everyone thought that Trump was going to be crippled by the Rep. infighting, but I contend, Hillary was hurt worst than Trump in the primaries.

Gutierrez may be facing some legal issues, which may explain why he's quitting. Isn't Villaraigosa running for Governor against Gavin Newsome. Boy, what a choice Californians have with that one.

There's been word that Rahm might run. He is going to face his tough challenge as Mayor in 2019 if his former police commander runs. He has some goods on Rahm.

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quote:
Originally posted by Travlr:
Well, first of all, Bernie isn't a Democrat. This is something that everyone seems to have forgotten.

I would argue Bernie is the ONLY mainstream Democratic. Everyone else in the Democratic party is a moderate Republican!
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quote:
Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
Okay, I'm an outside looking in, but I'd say Biden would be the best. he represents the center. If a Dem is going to win, I'd at least like to see a Bill Clinton like Dem. heck, one could make an argument that Clinton was more conservative than Bush. There's a possibility that if Biden wins the nomination, he may have come out badly beaten up in the primary that he loses the general election. Everyone thought that Trump was going to be crippled by the Rep. infighting, but I contend, Hillary was hurt worst than Trump in the primaries.

Gutierrez may be facing some legal issues, which may explain why he's quitting. Isn't Villaraigosa running for Governor against Gavin Newsome. Boy, what a choice Californians have with that one.

There's been word that Rahm might run. He is going to face his tough challenge as Mayor in 2019 if his former police commander runs. He has some goods on Rahm.

Agree about Biden being the best, I think had he run last time, he would have beat Hillary on the Dem side, and Trump for President. He was the adult in the room. I give him alot of credit for not running after his child's death. He took care of his family and himself at the expense of his dream.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bcleah:
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Originally posted by Travlr:
Well, first of all, Bernie isn't a Democrat. This is something that everyone seems to have forgotten.

I would argue Bernie is the ONLY mainstream Democratic. Everyone else in the Democratic party is a moderate Republican!
But the point is, he's not a member of the Party. He ran for the Democratic nomination, but he never was a member of the Party (and if he was, he ditched it as soon as the Primaries were over and went back to being an official Independent).

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quote:
Originally posted by King Francis:
Agree about Biden being the best ... I give him alot of credit for not running after his child's death. He took care of his family and himself at the expense of his dream.

Joe's always been like that since he first got to the Senate and his wife and daughter were killed in an auto accident. Commuting by train nearly every day, never moving from the neighbourhood so the boys wouldn't have to change schools, etc., etc., etc.

I don't always agree with his policies and positions -- a touch to the Left for my comfort -- buy I respect the hell out of him, and given the opportunity, I'd very willingly vote for him. Because, as you said, he is the adult in the room (all the transition jokes nothwithstanding, which I understand he found hilarious).

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quote:
Originally posted by Bcleah:
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Originally posted by Travlr:
Well, first of all, Bernie isn't a Democrat. This is something that everyone seems to have forgotten.

I would argue Bernie is the ONLY mainstream Democratic. Everyone else in the Democratic party is a moderate Republican!
Yeah, right up until the part that he is not now, nor has ever been either mainstream, or a member of the Democratic party.

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quote:
Originally posted by Travlr:
Harris is the new kid on the block, but while she might be favoured slightly now, there are a few other possibles floating around out there that could attract a lot attention: Rep. Luis Gutiérrez, former L.A. mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Sen. Cory Booker, and a whole bunch of others.

Some expected names have gone ahead and said, "not me!" (Gillibrand,Joe Kennedy III, Tim Kaine, Oprah, Joe Scarborough, Cuomo) and this opens the field up a whole lot.

Would it be too unrealistic for Gavin Newsom to run from the LG position?

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quote:
Originally posted by HEN from MS:
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Originally posted by Travlr:
Harris is the new kid on the block, but while she might be favoured slightly now, there are a few other possibles floating around out there that could attract a lot attention: Rep. Luis Gutiérrez, former L.A. mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Sen. Cory Booker, and a whole bunch of others.

Some expected names have gone ahead and said, "not me!" (Gillibrand,Joe Kennedy III, Tim Kaine, Oprah, Joe Scarborough, Cuomo) and this opens the field up a whole lot.

Would it be too unrealistic for Gavin Newsom to run from the LG position?
Newsom has gone on record as saying he's not interested, so he gets lumped in with Gillibrand, Oprah and George Clooney.

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Okay, just for the record, these are the people who have "expressed interest" in running (even if they haven't announced yet, like Rep. John Delaney of Maryland):

  • Joe Biden, Vice President of the United States 2009–2017; U.S. Senator from Delaware 1973–2009; candidate for President in 1988 and in 2008
  • Julian Castro, U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development 2014–2017; Mayor of San Antonio 2009–2014
  • Eric Garcetti, Mayor of Los Angeles since 2013
  • Luis Gutiérrez, U.S. Representative from Illinois since 1993
  • John Hickenlooper, Governor of Colorado since 2011; Mayor of Denver 2003–2011
  • Eric Holder, U.S. Attorney General 2009–2015; Acting U.S. Attorney General in 2001
  • John Kerry, U.S. Secretary of State 2013–2017; U.S. Senator from Massachusetts 1985–2013; Democratic nominee for President in 2004
  • Martin O'Malley, Governor of Maryland 2007–2015; Mayor of Baltimore 1999–2007; candidate for President in 2016
  • Tom Steyer, billionaire hedge fund manager, philanthropist, environmentalist, progressive activist, and fundraiser from California

To me, not a particularly impressive list -- really, Mr. Kerry? -- although there's a glimmer of light here and there.


Now, there are a whole pile of "potentials", those names that people have brought up as "rising stars" or "would make a good candidate" and so forth and so on. We've all heard the talk, right? ("Gee, I wish so-and-so would run..."). Well, these are those names:

Richard Blumenthal, U.S. Senator from Connecticut since 2011
Cory Booker, U.S. Senator from New Jersey since 2013; Mayor of Newark 2006–2013
Steve Bullock, Governor of Montana since 2013
Lincoln Chafee, Governor of Rhode Island 2011–2015; U.S. Senator 1999–2007; candidate for President in 2016
John Bel Edwards, Governor of Louisiana since 2016
Tulsi Gabbard, U.S. Representative from Hawaii since 2013
Kamala Harris, U.S. Senator from California since 2017
Bob Iger[note 1], businessman from California
Dwayne Johnson, actor, producer, and semi-retired professional wrestler from Florida
Jason Kander, Secretary of State of Missouri 2013–2017; Democratic nominee for the U.S. Senate in 2016
Caroline Kennedy, U.S. Ambassador to Japan 2013–2017
Amy Klobuchar, U.S. Senator from Minnesota since 2007
Mitch Landrieu, Mayor of New Orleans since 2010
Terry McAuliffe, Governor of Virginia 2014–2018
Jeff Merkley, U.S. Senator from Oregon since 2009
Deval Patrick, Governor of Massachusetts 2007–2015
Tim Ryan, U.S. Representative from Ohio since 2003
Bernie Sanders[note 1], U.S. Senator from Vermont since 2007; U.S. Representative 1991–2007; candidate for President in 2016
Adam Schiff, U.S. Representative from California since 2001
Nina Turner, Ohio State Senator 2008–2014
Antonio Villaraigosa, Mayor of Los Angeles 2005–2013; candidate for Governor of California in 2018
Mark Warner, U.S. Senator from Virginia since 2009; Governor 2002–2006
Frederica Wilson, U.S. Representative from Florida since 2011

Again, a few names of note that are going to spark some discussion (I'll start: please, not McAuliffe; anyone but freakin' McAuliffe....). Note also that Harris' name is on the second list, not the first. That odds-makers would put her at the top of their list without here making even vague gestures towards being interested in running is very strange, and smacks of laying in wait for the marks.



Gonna be an interesting couple of years of speculation, that's for sure.

((And it's shaping up to be possibly be a return to 1976 again for the GOP, with a number of big names eyeing taking the nomination from the sitting President, including billionaire Mark Cuban, and a few potentials like Bob Corker, Ted Cruz, Jeff Flake and Ben Sasse. Could be a little wild and woolly over on the right side of the room, too.....))

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quote:
Originally posted by chgowolvs44:
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Originally posted by Bcleah:
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Originally posted by Travlr:
Well, first of all, Bernie isn't a Democrat. This is something that everyone seems to have forgotten.

I would argue Bernie is the ONLY mainstream Democratic. Everyone else in the Democratic party is a moderate Republican!
Yeah, right up until the part that he is not now, nor has ever been either mainstream, or a member of the Democratic party.
I would say he is mainstream; I suspect if you asked the population of the UK to name a living Democrat from the USA; Bernie would only be behind the Clinton's and Obama; he would certainly be more well known now than Biden or Carter.

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I’m in the no candidate over 60 camp, all the old farts need to stay home.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bcleah:
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Originally posted by chgowolvs44:
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Originally posted by Bcleah:
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Originally posted by Travlr:
Well, first of all, Bernie isn't a Democrat. This is something that everyone seems to have forgotten.

I would argue Bernie is the ONLY mainstream Democratic. Everyone else in the Democratic party is a moderate Republican!
Yeah, right up until the part that he is not now, nor has ever been either mainstream, or a member of the Democratic party.
I would say he is mainstream; I suspect if you asked the population of the UK to name a living Democrat from the USA; Bernie would only be behind the Clinton's and Obama; he would certainly be more well known now than Biden or Carter.
With all due respect, his being well known in the UK is entirely irrelevant.

Unless, part of Brexit was joining back up with us. 😉

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quote:
Originally posted by chgowolvs44:
With all due respect, his being well known in the UK is entirely irrelevant.

Unless, part of Brexit was joining back up with us. 😉

LOL I suspect it is what plenty of the Tory right wants!

If you do not know about him, Google the Member of Parliament for the 18th Century, Jacob Rees-Mogg, it is quite possible he will be our next Prime Minister (betting favourite). Charming fella! And it shows how wonderful our 'Brexit' is going... [Wink]

But that is enough from this Bremoaner.

As for your initial observation, I understand your point, I was just trying to point out that Bernie is probably the only the 'Democrat' (who has not been President, Vice President or First Lady) the rest of the world knows, thus he is 'mainstream', certainly in our eyes, relevant or not.

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quote:
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Well, first of all, Bernie isn't a Democrat. This is something that everyone seems to have forgotten. Wasn't in 2016, isn't now, won't be then.

Warren's building a campaign chest of massive proportions. But she has a set of American Tourister nearly as heavy as Hillary's. And she's no friend of many of the biggest Democratic backers. And she's also on record as not being interested in any 2020 run.

Joe, if he decides to run, will get the nomination, almost certainly. Partially due to the fact that he was the Veep, but also partially because people like him. Mumble-mouthed and all, but he's so much more real than almost anyone in D.C. was during his years there. But he has to decide if he really wants to. But he may decide that 45 years in harness is enough.

Harris is the new kid on the block, but while she might be favoured slightly now, there are a few other possibles floating around out there that could attract a lot attention: Rep. Luis Gutiérrez, former L.A. mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Sen. Cory Booker, and a whole bunch of others.

Some expected names have gone ahead and said, "not me!" (Gillibrand,Joe Kennedy III, Tim Kaine, Oprah, Joe Scarborough, Cuomo) and this opens the field up a whole lot.

Hell, even The Rock has hinted around about it a bit. Of course, with Dwyane, whether or not he's pulling your leg (usually completely out of joint) is always a big question.....


Way way way too early, but I'm liking what I see out of Deval Patrick, and I've always liked Lincoln Chaffee (although he's blander than Wonder Bread), but my record at liking the the right candidate to get the nomination has been horrid.....

I think Biden made the most sense following the 2016 election with regard to losing working-class voters who should be natural constituents for Democrats, but he is still going to be 78 years old in 2020. He may very well win if he decides to run, but his age is pretty scary.

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Note also that Harris' name is on the second list, not the first. That odds-makers would put her at the top of their list without here making even vague gestures towards being interested in running is very strange, and smacks of laying in wait for the marks.


FWIW, I saw a Rachel Maddow interview with Harris a few weeks ago in which she did not deny running when asked about 2020, Harris completely dodged the question and said she is fighting for the people of California in the Senate. Even Maddow, who is always fawning to every Democrat, commented on the non-answer answer.

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Age is definitely a problem for the Dems: I've been saying for about 4 years now that they need a lot of new, younger blood at the helm. Schumer is a decent start, but even he's 67. Really, they should have put him in place by 2010, after the showing he made as DSCC chairman in 2006, but he and Pelosi aren't too friendly outside of necessity, and by that point Dean had been DNC chair since 2005 and those two really don't get along.

But seniority is still the tell-tale for political power for the most part. People like Obama and Kennedy -- JFK, RFK and Teddy -- are the exceptions to that "rule".

The GOP has a big leg up there, with guys like Paul Ryan (48), Kevin McCarthy (53), Steve Scalise (52), John Thune (57). Those guys, barring losing elections, are going to be there a while.

Compare that to Pelosi (77), Hoyer (78), Clyburn (77), Durbin (73), and Patty Murray (67). In fact, it's quite hard to find any of the Democratic Party leadership younger than 65 (Van Hollen, Klobuchar, Warner and Baldwin...and they're fairly junior positions). Even Elizabeth Warren, the current darling of the Far Left is 68.

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If GDP growth is 3 to 4 for the next couple of years, the stock market is doing well, and we're not involved in some unwindable war, I might think that some Dems will be gun shy about running. If everything is going well economically and abroad, the Dems only talking point will be the stupid sh!t Trump says, which is a truckload.

Where candidates lining up in droves to run against the incumbent in 1984 and 1996? No one had a chance of unseating the current President those years.

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If GDP growth is 3 to 4 for the next couple of years, the stock market is doing well, and we're not involved in some unwindable war, I might think that some Dems will be gun shy about running. If everything is going well economically and abroad, the Dems only talking point will be the stupid sh!t Trump says, which is a truckload.

Where candidates lining up in droves to run against the incumbent in 1984 and 1996? No one had a chance of unseating the current President those years.

I disagree with you that some Democrats may be gun shy to run in 2020. I think there will be a huge field. I don't think running against Trump 2020, even if the economy is booming, would be at all like running against Reagan in 1984 or Clinton in 1996. Trump's approval rating is always going to have a low ceiling.

One thing I am not really of, though, is where the nomination process goes in 2020. That will go a long way toward determining who ultimately winds up with the nomination. Are the Democrats going to focus overwhelmingly on an economic message, which is what Joe Biden says they need to do to get back those working class white voters who have been lost, or does the party lurch even more toward toward identity politics/social issues and write off working class voters that were a Democratic staple for generations.

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quote:
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If GDP growth is 3 to 4 for the next couple of years, the stock market is doing well, and we're not involved in some unwindable war, I might think that some Dems will be gun shy about running. If everything is going well economically and abroad, the Dems only talking point will be the stupid sh!t Trump says, which is a truckload.

Where candidates lining up in droves to run against the incumbent in 1984 and 1996? No one had a chance of unseating the current President those years.

Going by memory 1984 had Jesse Jackson, Gary Hart, Cranston and Glenn challenging Mondale, if I remember right Hart was winning more primaries but withdrew because Mondale had more delegates than he and Jackson combined.

1996 was pretty lean, again if I remember correctly it was more surprising on who decided not to run, I remember Steve Forbes, Pat Buchanan and Dole.

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quote:
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Where candidates lining up in droves to run against the incumbent in 1984 and 1996? No one had a chance of unseating the current President those years.

1984 had Walter Mondale, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson, John Glenn, George McGovern, Reubin Askew, Alan Cranston, and Ernest Hollings all running for the Democratic ticket. Not a bad showing, but nothing spectacular, to be sure. Hart was the up-and-comer that was expected to do well and either grab the nom or get it the next time. Then came a fateful boat ride....

In '96, the GOP had a pretty large field to chose from: Bob Dole, Pat Buchanan, Steve Forbes, Lamar Alexander, Phil Gramm, Alan Keyes, Richard Lugar, Bob Dornan, Arlen Specter, Pete Wilson, and Morry Taylor. In any other year, that would have been a pretty good showing, by anyone's standards; that's some major player names of the time. But in some ways, it was also the race that broke the GOP's ideological back, with Buchanan on the Far Right, Dole as the traditional conservative, Specter as the moderate/centrist and Forbes kinda-sorta standing off to the Libertarian side.

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quote:
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I’m in the no candidate over 60 camp, all the old farts need to stay home.

That's a real tough one, as generalizing is always a foolish thing to do. Yeah, we've seen presidents dramatically decline physically and mentally, and on the other hand, we see folks like Jimmy Carter, Bernie, etc. active and effective well past "retirement" age.

Writing people off as ineffective due to age is as foolish as saying someone in their forties is "too inexperienced".

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I’m in the no candidate over 60 camp, all the old farts need to stay home.

That's a real tough one, as generalizing is always a foolish thing to do. Yeah, we've seen presidents dramatically decline physically and mentally, and on the other hand, we see folks like Jimmy Carter, Bernie, etc. active and effective well past "retirement" age.

Writing people off as ineffective due to age is as foolish as saying someone in their forties is "too inexperienced".

If Biden has a VP that would draw in the younger voters, that would pull together more sides and ideas.. Not sure who that would be yet....

I thought if Hillary had announced Bernie as VP, that would have been teh best last time...

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I’m in the no candidate over 60 camp, all the old farts need to stay home.

I know this treads into an unpopular area, particularly with older people, but I agree wholeheartedly. We need an age limit on both ends of the spectrum. Something like between the age of 35 and 60-65 at the time of inauguration seems realistic. And that would include no second term for anyone who exceeds the age limit during a first term.

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Originally posted by HEN from MS:
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Originally posted by ltp711:
I’m in the no candidate over 60 camp, all the old farts need to stay home.

I know this treads into an unpopular area, particularly with older people, but I agree wholeheartedly. We need an age limit on both ends of the spectrum. Something like between the age of 35 and 60-65 at the time of inauguration seems realistic. And that would include no second term for anyone who exceeds the age limit during a first term.
Which means, what? That you're going to propose this to your senator and rep and have it introduced as a constitutional amendment proposal? That you are going to work the 2/3 of the states necessary to approve this proposal? That you are going to somehow magically get everyone who was a fan of Reagan and Hillary and Bernie to say "whoa, why the **** didn't I think of that?" Or are you just going to sit here on a wrestling board political forum and disqualify people in your dreams? The mod of this forum, CM, has more political insight, a bunch of which I disagree with, than most of these people with these bright ideas. But he would not be able to be president under this ingenious plan. Maybe if you found a way to get out and support a candidate that deserves a chance, regardless of age, then you might not have time to come up with such an inflammatory idea. The older members of our population have a lot of wisdom to contribute. I am a Republican, but if Joe Biden is on that ticket next time I am pull the D lever, straight up. I guess we can see why the left leaning groups can't agree on a candidate. They can't even agree on reasonable issues to pursue.
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Dangit, knew I shoulda ran LAST time.

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Originally posted by King Francis:
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Originally posted by OSJ from NM by way of WA:
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Originally posted by ltp711:
I’m in the no candidate over 60 camp, all the old farts need to stay home.

That's a real tough one, as generalizing is always a foolish thing to do. Yeah, we've seen presidents dramatically decline physically and mentally, and on the other hand, we see folks like Jimmy Carter, Bernie, etc. active and effective well past "retirement" age.

Writing people off as ineffective due to age is as foolish as saying someone in their forties is "too inexperienced".

If Biden has a VP that would draw in the younger voters, that would pull together more sides and ideas.. Not sure who that would be yet....

I thought if Hillary had announced Bernie as VP, that would have been teh best last time...

You can bet that whoever the top of the ticket is in the D party, it will be a diversified ticket. A black woman on the ticket anywhere would be very popular with even some of them more centrist voters. If Kamala Harris is not the nominee, I would definitely consider her for the Veep, but the problem is that she will deliver very little in the way of votes. A California liberal might have a very tough time of getting excitement the way that a Cory Booker might. He also shaves his head, which is a positive to me. [Big Grin]
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However... I think I agree too. I wouldn't take the job now. I'm as sharp or sharper than anybody I know my age and I don't have the command of details that I used to have. I don't think I could do the job adequately. I mean yeah I could do it better than tRump or Duhbya, but not adequately. What you got to remember, when they wrote that s***, people died at 50.

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Originally posted by The Fake J.D. McKay:
Which means, what?

Means it's just an idea. Which I was correct in saying would be wildly unpopular with some.

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Originally posted by The Fake J.D. McKay:
That you're going to propose this to your senator and rep and have it introduced as a constitutional amendment proposal? That you are going to work the 2/3 of the states necessary to approve this proposal? That you are going to somehow magically get everyone who was a fan of Reagan and Hillary and Bernie to say "whoa, why the **** didn't I think of that?"

Answer is no to all of these. It was just a hypothetical thought.

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Or are you just going to sit here on a wrestling board political forum and disqualify people in your dreams?

Answer is yes to this one because that's what I'm doing now.

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The mod of this forum, CM, has more political insight, a bunch of which I disagree with, than most of these people with these bright ideas. But he would not be able to be president under this ingenious plan.

Didn't know that. I agree with a good bit of his insight. But that doesn't change my opinion on the idea.

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Maybe if you found a way to get out and support a candidate that deserves a chance, regardless of age, then you might not have time to come up with such an inflammatory idea.

Actually, I do take the time to support candidates regardless of age... and somehow still had this idea.

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The older members of our population have a lot of wisdom to contribute.

Totally agree with that. My idea did not imply to exclude them completely from counsel or discourse.

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I guess we can see why the left leaning groups can't agree on a candidate. They can't even agree on reasonable issues to pursue.

I don't think this idea is leaning one way or the other. But I'm not pursuing this as an issue.

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Dangit, knew I shoulda ran LAST time.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz would have scheduled every debate for the night of a major UFC card. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by Crimson Mask from FL:
Dangit, knew I shoulda ran LAST time.

While I am not sure we are ready for President Mask, I also am pretty sure you couldn't be worse than the tool we have now. That is very faint praise, I might add.
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Where candidates lining up in droves to run against the incumbent in 1984 and 1996? No one had a chance of unseating the current President those years.

1984 had Walter Mondale, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson, John Glenn, George McGovern, Reubin Askew, Alan Cranston, and Ernest Hollings all running for the Democratic ticket. Not a bad showing, but nothing spectacular, to be sure. Hart was the up-and-comer that was expected to do well and either grab the nom or get it the next time. Then came a fateful boat ride....

In '96, the GOP had a pretty large field to chose from: Bob Dole, Pat Buchanan, Steve Forbes, Lamar Alexander, Phil Gramm, Alan Keyes, Richard Lugar, Bob Dornan, Arlen Specter, Pete Wilson, and Morry Taylor. In any other year, that would have been a pretty good showing, by anyone's standards; that's some major player names of the time. But in some ways, it was also the race that broke the GOP's ideological back, with Buchanan on the Far Right, Dole as the traditional conservative, Specter as the moderate/centrist and Forbes kinda-sorta standing off to the Libertarian side.

Thanks. Both had an impressive list, but I couldn't see anyone that wasn't on that list win. I do remember Colin Powell urged to run in 1996 or potentially be Dole's running mate.

The Dems really need to shoot for the center like i said earlier. The loony wing of the party will vote Dem regardless. If they allow the loons to have a voice, it'll scare off the Independents.

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Originally posted by Travlr:
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Originally posted by Blue Thunder:
Where candidates lining up in droves to run against the incumbent in 1984 and 1996? No one had a chance of unseating the current President those years.

1984 had Walter Mondale, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson, John Glenn, George McGovern, Reubin Askew, Alan Cranston, and Ernest Hollings all running for the Democratic ticket. Not a bad showing, but nothing spectacular, to be sure. Hart was the up-and-comer that was expected to do well and either grab the nom or get it the next time. Then came a fateful boat ride....

In '96, the GOP had a pretty large field to chose from: Bob Dole, Pat Buchanan, Steve Forbes, Lamar Alexander, Phil Gramm, Alan Keyes, Richard Lugar, Bob Dornan, Arlen Specter, Pete Wilson, and Morry Taylor. In any other year, that would have been a pretty good showing, by anyone's standards; that's some major player names of the time. But in some ways, it was also the race that broke the GOP's ideological back, with Buchanan on the Far Right, Dole as the traditional conservative, Specter as the moderate/centrist and Forbes kinda-sorta standing off to the Libertarian side.

Thanks. Both had an impressive list, but I couldn't see anyone that wasn't on that list win. I do remember Colin Powell urged to run in 1996 or potentially be Dole's running mate.

The Dems really need to shoot for the center like i said earlier. The loony wing of the party will vote Dem regardless. If they allow the loons to have a voice, it'll scare off the Independents.

I don't know that there has ever been more of an opportunity for a hard-left progressive; that is where all the passion and energy of the party is right now. In 2016, the Dems went with the centrist because it was "her turn,"then the centrist went out and lost to a reality television star.

Trump's approval numbers among independents are lousy right now. I don't know that they would be scared off by someone on the hard left when independents already don't like the guy in office.

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I thought that it seemed like they were pushing Corey Booker.

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Klobuchar's path is to run as veep first to get name recognition nation wide. She's Senator for life here in Minnesota. She's centrist up the wazoo, with enough left leaning on social issues to make most Dem voters comfortable with her. She was a big Hillary supporter, so she'll have party support. No skeletons, and a mild, pleasant, likeable personality. And she's white! so she could pull Repub women.
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Klobuchar seems like a nice person but would have no chance outside of Minnesota. She would not have been electe county attorney or senator if it werent for the fact her father was a popular sports writer with the sates largest newspaper.
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Not certain of that, Bolo; she's gotten a fair amount of national exposure this last couple of years. She's the Ranking Member of the Senate Rules Committee, which is a pretty prestigious position for someone as new as she is, she's been in the fore-front of the Russia/election situation since the issue came up in Congress in February 2017.

She's been named one of the women most likely to become the first female President by both The New York Times and The New Yorker magazine, and both the magazine and MSNBC have touted her as a possible SOCTUS appointee.

Not too bad for a relative newbie (she's "only" been a Senator for 10 years [Roll Eyes] ).

With the right push, she could probably do pretty well in the 2020 Primaries.

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From what I know of Ms. Harris, I admire her a lot. I fear, though, she'll be dog-whistled into oblivion (you know, "Angry Black woman from California, the same state that gave us Angela Davis") by opportunistic race-baiting a$$holes -- definitely including some Democrats -- who still plan to play on fear, ignorance, and superstition to maintain their political clout.

Meanwhile, though, every wrestling fan worth his or her salt [thrown in the eyes] should vote for her, simply for the endless rich lode of "Kamala" jokes and puns her victory will make possible.

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