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Crimson Mask from FL
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There must be tape or something.

Again, clucks, three words: Watergate. And to remind you for the zillionth time, this is coming apart MUCH MUCH FASTER than that did.

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I wonder if these two post here?

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Remember when Murkan right wing males didn't have vaginas?

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http://washingtonsources.org/giuliani-flat-out-admits-trump-will-commit-perjury-if-put-under-oath/

On video. On Faux 'News'.

Tick tock.

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Those two old guys, traitors
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quote:
Originally posted by jjenginer:
Those two old guys, traitors

I bet they still b!tch about football players who kneel are being disrespectful to the flag and the troops though.

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Great point diamondms, sad part is they would not see the irony or hypocrisy
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Oh, you meant the two guys in the picture. I thought you meant Giuliani and Trump.

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Anymore can lump about half of the GOP in the hypocrisy or irony regarding statements they made in past compared to their actions/statements about trump.

To clarify I agree with diamond; bet those two guys with t-shirts where yelling kapernick should be deported

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Some people really seem to be of the opinion that Reps vs Dems is nothing more than a sports rivalry with the outcome being only important for bragging rights, but not for any real life consequences. At least there is no other way I can explain it.

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quote:
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Some people really seem to be of the opinion that Reps vs Dems is nothing more than a sports rivalry with the outcome being only important for bragging rights, but not for any real life consequences. At least there is no other way I can explain it.

I think you hit the nail on the head.
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Much MUCH faster than Watergate.

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quote:
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I wonder if these two post here?

I always wondered what a true snowflake would look like...


Now I know

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Are they a couple? They look sorta 'close'. They must be happy, since they're both pregnant.

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Couples do tend to start to look alike the longer they are together so....

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quote:
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Much MUCH faster than Watergate.

Yes, but also no, depending on the vantage point. Chronologically, yeah. In how the current Administration is reacting to it, yeah. But in the "court of public opinion", not so much....

Prof. Charles Franklin (Director of the Marquette Law School Poll, and Prof Emeritus UW-Madison),
took a look at Nixon's polling and discovered a few rather intriguing things.

First, during his first term, he regularly held a 50%+ job approval rating. And held (by today's standards) a shockingly high approval by the Dems, hovering around 40% And after a burst of approval in 1972 -- trip to China, re-election, Paris Peace Accords -- his approval drops through the floor in 1973. Over the 9 months from Feb73, he lost over 4-points a month to level off at 30%....from a high of 67%. It made Bush's approval drop in 2005 look like a nice, leisurely slide.

But here's the kicker: After that drop, his approval rating stayed remarkably stable right up to his resignation. By the time of the "Saturday Night Massacre", the results were already in and those who were going to be for or against had already decided where they stood. And that changed only very very slightly to the point where Nixon left Office.

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Let's look at that point again (quoting PRof. Franklin): "The shocking Saturday Night Massacre, Nixon cited as an 'unindicted co-conspirator', the release of tape transcripts that introduced 'expletive deleted' to the lexicon barely moved opinion."

Note that even at Nixon's worst period, Republican respondents to polls were still slightly over 50% in favour of him. Right up to the end. His approval did drop with Republican voters after he resigned, but only afterward, which has some strange symmetry with approval rates of the ACA before and after Trump.

And this beggars comparisons to Trump's approval ratings today WRT the entire Russia investigation, and is the point that Prof. Franklin I think is pointing at: The decisions of the public about where they stand with the question have pretty much been decided. We might see a +/-5% variation in Trump's approval ratings from his 40% aggregate average, but that probably won't be tied to Mueller's probe much, if at all. Until, probably, the final result of the investigation as a whole, which won't be finalized for at least another year, and very possibly into the 2020 campaign cycle.

Then we'll see some changes. Probably.


((Note: Much like how we've seen approval for "Obamacare" rise into a majority position since Trump took office and started trying to dismantle it -- primarily by those who disliked it originally because it didn't go far enough for them -- Nixon's approval dropping below 50% after his resignation probably was due to at least a few Republicans upset that he quit instead of staying the course as much as the adoption of the first Article of Impeachment did.))

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Question for Traiv, just read this, can he really do what he is saying I think not.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12110798

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"Run it" as in be in charge of the day-to-day operations....I agree, I don't think so. Specifically, due to his position, he couldn't run it; that's a function of the DoJ. Remember that Mueller was appointed Special Counsel by Deputy AG Rosenstein; it was not requested by the White House or Congress (although both could do so).

However, Trump has certain powers over the investigation, including dismissing the Special Counsel, Robert Mueller. Politically, it would be a disastrous decision, and could have some serious legal ramifications down the line (the whole "Obstruction of Justice" question would be given far more weight and would probably broaden the investigation beyond where it is already).

Trump likes to think that the President can do just about anything he wants, which simply isn't the case, and I think he's going to find that out the hard way (above and beyond the Courts telling him that his EOs are out of line and unenforceable).

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More reality check, clucks.

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Like I said, Trump has already made Grant look competent and is currently working hard to make Harding look.....no so bad (which is a scary f*ckin' think when you think about it).

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-trump-campaign-manager-pleads-guilty-mueller-court-133908465--sector.html

tic toc...

I dont see Mueller offering/accepting the guilty plea without cooperation in the collusion and obstruction cases.

Manafort is fighting for his life, not Cadet Bone Spurs

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When I said that was the most ignorant thing I ever heard, I didn't realize you were still talking.

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Yeah,Manafort's plea deal includes a co-operation clause.

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the Bobbsey twins will be checking in to tell us that there is no proof of collusion with Russia or obstruction and this has nuttin to do with Trump...

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When I said that was the most ignorant thing I ever heard, I didn't realize you were still talking.

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quote:
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the Bobbsey twins will be checking in to tell us that there is no proof of collusion with Russia or obstruction and this has nuttin to do with Trump...

They're parroting the White House line from the press release this a.m.:
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Once again an investigation has concluded with a plea having nothing to do with President Trump or the Trump campaign. The reason: the President did nothing wrong and Paul Manafort will tell the truth.
Note that the White House sent a "corrected" statement that removed the bit about Manafort telling the truth.



BTW, you should all dig into the plea agreement; there's some tasty stuff there. Including the specific notation that Manafort must cooperate fully in "any and all matters as to what the Government deems the cooperation relevant." It also says he agrees to testify at any proceeding in any federal district-including grand juries.

This might be a good thing for Trump's more serious legal troubles going on in New York, since those are State-level cases, even if they chummy up next to some of the federal investigations....

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Paul Manafort has flipped. So what happens now?

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quote:
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the Bobbsey twins will be checking in to tell us that there is no proof of collusion with Russia or obstruction and this has nuttin to do with Trump...

No, they won't. Just like in a few other threads, they can't spin this. At least not yet. But when Trumpet himself has not responded, they won't. At least he has not so far on his TWITter and we know he will go there first.

[ 09-14-2018, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: Cory ]

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Even Foox is tweeting stuff like how good Nike is doing right now and politicians reacting to Manafort flipping without disparaging them. This may actually be the one.
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KT McFarland has changed her statement and now says that Flynn did talk to the Russians and Flynn implied sanctions were discussed.
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