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Ken Viewer
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From the left, Antonino Rocca, Kola Kwariani and Madison Square Garden's wrestling-co-czar (with his brother-in-law Walter "Johnston" Smallshaw), the mysterious Charles B. "Charley" Johnston, noted in a caption as a lawyer. Date given is October of 1958, when Johnston would have been approximately age 65.

Vince McMahon-the-Elder? I don't see him anywhere.

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Link that works is here. Click and ye shall see. Photo-preview courtesy of Getty Images, which got it from the Time Life collection.

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Below, on the right, is wrestler Leo Pardello (who was one of the last to wrestle Frank Gotch) and his manager, in 1907, Pop Coulon.

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Tom Packs of St. Louis. The clipping says the photo dates from 1927.

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Courtesy wwf4ever's site in Germany.

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Tom Packs of St. Louis. The clipping says the photo dates from 1927.

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Courtesy wwf4ever's site in Germany.

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Tom played an important part in Lou Thesz's very early career, if I'm not mistaken.

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--Count Billy Varga to Lou Thesz at a long-ago CAC banquet at the Sportsmens Lodge in Sherman Oaks, California

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Famed referee and sportswriter/editor Ed Smith, of the Chicago American, in a photo taken at the offices of the Chicago Daily News in 1908. Guess the photography operation at the Daily News was too important even for a rival editor to turn down an offer to pose for publication.

Smith, who refereed both Gotch vs Hackenschmidt matches and other famed wrestling events, also reffed boxing matches.

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Smith and Gotch and Hackenschmidt at the 1911 match on Labor Day, the performance of which killed wrestling in Chicago for several years thereafter.

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Best closeup-photo of Jack Curley I've found so far. Alas, no date. On the right is the otherwise unidentified Eddie Kane.

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Boxer "Fireman" Jim Flynn talking to his manager, who was, as seen here, Curley. No date.

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The Tom Packs pictured in this extraordinarily rare photograph is likely wrestling's legendary St. Louis-territory owner and a force behind Lou Thesz in that legend's early years. Here, in an undated photo listed as circa 1950s-1960s, clearly as an elderly man, is Packs -- quite seriously -- involved in circus-activity, which was one of his investments and interests long after he sold his St. Louis wrestling operations. (Packs died in 1964 at the asserted age of 70 -- an age that was likely understated.)

He's on the right, and with him, as best I can tell, based upon coding and archival information, in the middle is "A. Yetty," ("Aunt Yetty")and on the left "U. Arthur," likely "Uncle Arthur," of the Wallendas, as referred to in archives.

Photo courtesy of Wallenda Enterprises' web site (yes, the Flying Wallendas of circus high-wire acts and fame). The "Wallendas" continue on as high-wire performers to this day.

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Sam Muchnick outside of his office of the St. Louis Wrestling Club, Inc. and the National Wrestling Alliance. That man kept bankers' hours. No date.

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Roy Welch & Nick Gulas, Nashville, TN (Mid-South Promotions)
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Lee Fields, Mobile, AL (Gulf Coast Wrestling Assn.)
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Lee Fields and booker Rocky McGuire
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Les Wolfe, who worked with Welch & Gulas as well as Fields and many others
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If you see any similarity between Welch and Fields, it's because Roy was Lee's uncle.

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"Oy, vey, not the crazy kid with the camera, again. Shouldn't you be in school, kid?"

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--Count Billy Varga to Lou Thesz at a long-ago CAC banquet at the Sportsmens Lodge in Sherman Oaks, California

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Jack Curley and co-author Nat Fleisher get together to make a buck and make a book:


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Two men as honest as the driven snow...urr, honest as Goldman Sachs:

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Is this Rudy Dusek the same one who was a co-owner of the Manhattan Booking Office? One of the original, genuine Dusek Brothers?

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Otto Floto in 1902. ONLY KNOWN SURVIVING PHOTO OF Floto, as documented by Steve Yohe, would be directly involved in the promotion of Frank Gotch and his wrestling matches, both on, and off of Floto's traveling circus and AT shows circa 1916.

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Pacific Northwest territory promoter Don Owen:

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Wrestling promoter and opera impresario Ray Fabiani, of Philadelphia, Chicago, the national wrestling syndicate, Jim Londos' backer, opera-presenter and a man who represented the classical-vs-hardscrabble wrestling culture-clash era of the turn of the 20th Century, yet carried those traditions on many decades later.

Here he's seen, on the left, in 1962, with a soprano in there somewhere, and the still-babyfaced Julius Rudel is on the right.

At the time of this photo, Rudel was already the director and chief conductor of the New York City Opera, then in its prime and now, sad to say, dead-and-buried.

(Rudel recently died as perhaps one of the last of the original employees of this genuine one-time people's opera started during World War II in New York City by Mayor Fiorello La Guardia, Morton Baum and Newbold Morris. Rudel was hired as a rehearsal pianist and rose through the ranks. He was fired, circa 1979, during an ambush orchestrated by Brooklyn's Beverly "Gorilla" Sills, not pictured here, best known for her Subway Screech finisher.)

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quote:

Two men as honest as the driven snow...urr, honest as Goldman Sachs:

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I know that there is a lot to criticize Fleischer on his boxing ratings, but I had not heard that he was dishonest

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I have a later edition of that book. Curley's name is not on it, and there are 10 more photos. I can't read the price on the above scan, but the one have was $1.00. It's a very good book, actually, with serious training advice, and the photos are great---dozens of them already appear, uncredited, on this forum, as well as all over the intraweb.

Yes, the same original Hason Brothers Riot Squad member Rudy Dusek from the NY office.

So long from the Sunshine State!

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I have a later edition of that book. Curley's name is not on it, and there are 10 more photos. I can't read the price on the above scan, but the one have was $1.00. It's a very good book, actually, with serious training advice, and the photos are great---dozens of them already appear, uncredited, on this forum, as well as all over the intraweb.

Yes, the same original Hason Brothers Riot Squad member Rudy Dusek from the NY office.


So long from the Sunshine State!

The photos linked to here are of the 1931 edition. The 1945 edition, republished, of course, after Jack Curley had died, lacks the Curley-authorship credit. It is also a few pages longer, as you've noted. One might wonder if Curley had a wife/offspring who sold the rights, and/or if his estate had its interest in the volume bought-out by Ring magazine. Maybe Nat just took Curley's name off the book and forgot to mail those royalty checks to the cemetery.

I mean, in 1940, Fleischer lent his good name to the hoax that was the "Jack Dempsey comeback" fight in Atlanta against the wrestler Cowboy Luttrell. At the time, from what I've read, the bout was held, by virtue of promotion and athletic commission authority, to be a contest. After it was over, it was reconsidered and the listing changed to "Exhibition."


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Dempsey vs Luttrell:



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We see Hawaii promoter Al Karasick on the left, and then left-to-right; Duke Kahanamoku, Jack Dempsey attacking a pair of chopsticks; a fellow identified only as "Moose, owner of a gymnasium in San Francisco" and Mrs. Karasick. Undated, the photo may be from the 1940s, and was shot in a restaurant in Waikiki.

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Ladies' champion Mildred Burke picks up manager/promoter Jack Pfefer and his walking stick... but what is she to do with him...?

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Boxing impresario, wrestling promoter and occasional referee Gene Melady.

Also, some broken links above have been replaced or updated.

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"Carnation" Lou Daro on the right; holder of a version of the world's title, Dave Levin, on the left. (I have to key in the names or the search engine won't find them.)

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Tom Packs was as attracted to the circus and a promoter of at least one circus for much longer than he was a wrestling impresario. Here's an image of an ad for one circus he named after himself. In time, there were at least two units of this business with his name on them.

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Paul Bowser, on the left, looking at the massive arm of Yukon Eric:

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